2019 Election Results – The rise and fall of the ANC and DA

[C4Cat]

You do not need racist laws and policies to help the previous disadvantaged. By helping all disadvantaged people you will manly help backs as they are the ones who are mostly disadvantage.

Just out of interest, without using race as a proxy, how would you diffentiate between those who are poor due to actually being previously disadvantaged vs those who are just lazy, incompetent, down on their luck, addicts etc - those who are poor due to bad choices vs those who are poor due to racist apartheid laws which entrenched poverty among specific groups?
Or are you saying a more socialist policy of looking after all the poor, irrespective of why they are poor? What about restitution for the wrongs of the past which created our situation in the first place?

 

[BBSA]

Just out of interest, without using race as a proxy, how would you diffentiate between those who are poor due to actually being previously disadvantaged vs those who are just lazy, incompetent, down on their luck, addicts etc - those who are poor due to bad choices vs those who are poor due to racist apartheid laws which entrenched poverty among specific groups?
Or are you saying a more socialist policy of looking after all the poor, irrespective of why they are poor? What about restitution for the wrongs of the past which created our situation in the first place?

You can look at someone's background. For instance, a person with a private school education is not disadvantage.

 

[2025]

The reporting in general in the past at "mybroadband.co.za" is accurate and to the point.

 

[fundutzi]

Dear 0x7dc aka 2012,

Do your duty, when inaccurate articles are published call it out.
It serves little purpose to laugh at text.

To move matters forward in this world, contribute.

 

[DreamKing]

Looks like the majority of people are still very happy with how things were done in SA.

they want unemployment, poverty, corruption, and crimes ....

so what can you say?

 

[TheChamp]

This behavior has got them the biggest increase in the elections, putting them in a stronger position and bring more of thier own to the table.

As I said in the last part you did not quote, it is the full potential of their growth they will never reach, that is my point, they could have done even better in this election if they tried keeping cool heads.

Their problem is that they carry on as if they are appealing to uneducated people who should believe everything they say, the Zuma style of campaigning when in KZN, their target market is vastly different to the one they left behind in the ANC, Juju himself seemingly acknowledge this by going to school and getting his degrees, as the rest of the leadership has done, but at times it seems they find it hard shaking of their past.

 

[C4Cat]

You can look at someone's background. For instance, a person with a private school education is not disadvantage.

You want to examine the backgrounds of 50million+ people? Aside from the fact that record keeping during apartheid was dismal, how long would that take and how much would it cost? The end result would be the vast majority of previously disadvantaged people will be non-white, mostly black. In other words, the same group you would be assisting when using race as a proxy. So why spend all the time and money to reach the same result?

 

[Johnatan56]

You want to examine the backgrounds of 50million+ people? Aside from the fact that record keeping during apartheid was dismal, how long would that take and how much would it cost? The end result would be the vast majority of previously disadvantaged people will be non-white, mostly black. In other words, the same group you would be assisting when using race as a proxy. So why spend all the time and money to reach the same result?

What about the fact that it's been 1/2 generations now, at what point do you stop?

 

[Happy Days]

The DA is done for. People don't trust them. (I still enjoy living in a functional province they are 10 times better than the ANC can ever be, but they are not a trust worthy party.)

So you won't vote for them, but enjoy what they have accomplished in WC and elsewhere? Pure hypocricy - just like all the jackasses that vote for the ANC in EC and then run to the WC for jobs and housing.

EDIT: How about taking the emotion out of things and just look at the track record. For me, I look at what has been accomplished, not whether I can trust that party or not. The results speak for themselves, everything else is BS.

 

[BBSA]

You want to examine the backgrounds of 50million+ people? Aside from the fact that record keeping during apartheid was dismal, how long would that take and how much would it cost? The end result would be the vast majority of previously disadvantaged people will be non-white, mostly black. In other words, the same group you would be assisting when using race as a proxy. So why spend all the time and money to reach the same result?

It is really not that difficult to check someone's education. In my view education is a much better proxy for disadvantage than the colour of your skin.

Our economy needs to grow rapidly If you really want to help the disadvantaged people in our country. You will never achieve economic growth with rasist laws and policies!

 

[Unreal]

White people in South Africa really need to learn to speak at least one African language.
It will go a long way towards a truly non racial South Africa.
Until then you can always expect to have "black votes" and "white votes"

 

[EADC]

White people in South Africa really need to learn to speak at least one African language.
It will go a long way towards a truly non racial South Africa.
Until then you can always expect to have "black votes" and "white votes"

We just got to stop politicians dividing us, using language, race and fear mongering to get votes.

 

[C4Cat]

What about the fact that it's been 1/2 generations now, at what point do you stop?

What do you mean? The majority of people who grew up during apartheid are still alive today, still traumatised, still living with the consequences. As a 45 year old white south african I have a retirement plan, a steady job, inherited property, university education, etc while millions of people my age and older can't even read or write properly because of apartheid. Literally and directly. How do you expect a 60 year old illiterate person to survive in the world today without assistance from those of us who benefited from being white during apartheid? I don't know when you stop, but certainly not while apartheid is still a part of living memory

 

[Thor]

White people in South Africa really need to learn to speak at least one African language.
It will go a long way towards a truly non racial South Africa.
Until then you can always expect to have "black votes" and "white votes"

Fck no - it won't help anyone one bit - in fact, we need to lower those official languages, too much.

I speak Afrikaans (not worth much internationally), English (all Africans must learn this - good for opertunities outside SA and inside) and German (business there)

 

[BBSA]

White people in South Africa really need to learn to speak at least one African language.
It will go a long way towards a truly non racial South Africa.
Until then you can always expect to have "black votes" and "white votes"

Let’s not waist our time with nonsense. We need our economy to grow so the poor can enjoy a better quality of life and be less worried about black and white.

 

[Happy Days]

This thing of trust, race, language are all irrelevant; all it does is to lead to strong emotion and then reason is out of the window. The party of your choice doesn't have a 1-on-1 relationship with you, so they couldn't care less about whether you trust them or not. You, as a voter, don't know what's happening behind close doors, what deals have been struck and what's driving individuals within that party structure. The only yardstick should be what their track record is and is it consistent - that's indicative of what lies ahead.

 

[Anthro]

White people in South Africa really need to learn to speak at least one African language.
It will go a long way towards a truly non racial South Africa.
Until then you can always expect to have "black votes" and "white votes"

To what end.
If only to understand better when Julius Malema does not use English, but rather his own language to tell us that he has not called for our slaughter as whites, just yet ?

It's okay, Google translate helped plenty on "Dubul' ibhunu "

 

[RoboJedi]

What do you mean? The majority of people who grew up during apartheid are still alive today, still traumatised, still living with the consequences. As a 45 year old white south african I have a retirement plan, a steady job, inherited property, university education, etc while millions of people my age and older can't even read or write properly because of apartheid. Literally and directly. How do you expect a 60 year old illiterate person to survive in the world today without assistance from those of us who benefited from being white during apartheid? I don't know when you stop, but certainly not while apartheid is still a part of living memory

Well you are not all whites

In 38 and have not nor will not inherit anything
Varsity was not even half a possibility for me nor was a car or getting the old car.

When something happens now, there is no parent to help its me and my wifie that has to make it. Started with a bag of clothes and a temp job.

I did manage to het a decent steady job do lots of courses via work and build up a decent pension thou... but worked my ass off ( started as a temp for almost 18 months working weekly till I finally got a perm job)

I do agree with the rest. Privilege whites have no idea how hard life is if daddy didn’t pay for varsity, bought your 1st car or pay to set up a 1st home etc.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Gwen needs to become the DA leader.

I voted against the DA on the national ballot partially because I hope that a weak DA election result will result in Mmusi resigning as I consider him rather unsuitable for politics.

 

[Johnatan56]

What do you mean? The majority of people who grew up during apartheid are still alive today, still traumatised, still living with the consequences. As a 45 year old white south african I have a retirement plan, a steady job, inherited property, university education, etc while millions of people my age and older can't even read or write properly because of apartheid. Literally and directly. How do you expect a 60 year old illiterate person to survive in the world today without assistance from those of us who benefited from being white during apartheid? I don't know when you stop, but certainly not while apartheid is still a part of living memory

Are they the ones targeted by BEE?

Apartheid officially ended 1994, that's 25 years ago, but most of the enforcement already ended ~1990, near 30 years ago.
So should all the ones under 30 get BEE benefits if they did not live under the regime? Are you going to argue that the generation directly after suffered due to it and therefore should also get benefits? People in their 20/30s are also having kids, some could be third generation after apartheid (18+18 = 36 and assuming a 6 year old didn't really get any benefits in the beginning of their life), at what point do you stop?

Indeed, 70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the second generation, and a stunning 90% by the third, according to the Williams Group wealth consultancy.
http://money.com/money/3925308/rich-families-lose-wealth/

So, how many generations should we keep going with this? My parents came here after Apartheid, they didn't benefit from the system, I didn't benefit, all I got were the negatives afterwards, so how long will you oppress the younger white generation to make up for the older black generation having suffered? And note most who take advantage of BEE are not poor black people, they are mostly richer black people with connections, which is why the entire argument that race is not an indicator of lack of priviledge.


https://africacheck.org/factsheets/factsheet-measuring-south-africas-black-middle-class/

So they make up a majority of the middle class, and are about 70% of the population, and do note 1/3 in South Africa is under 18:

Quoting Wiki as it's from the National Census.


So at what point do you stop when BEE has proven to only benefit those who have the right connections?