2019 Rugby World Cup

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I don't know hey. Seems like clinging to the past. We have better rugby players in any possible position that they can make Frans play. So why have him at all? Only to kick.
He's not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. I surely rate him higher than De Allende, even anyone else we currently have playing Full back. The fact that he can slot a Penalty/Drop kick from 70 meters out is a bonus!
 

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I don't know hey. Seems like clinging to the past. We have better rugby players in any possible position that they can make Frans play. So why have him at all? Only to kick.

He's not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. I surely rate him higher than De Allende, even anyone else we currently have playing Full back. The fact that he can slot a Penalty/Drop kick from 70 meters out is a bonus!

Test rugby, and even more so at RWC level, is all about field position and forcing errors.

For this a powerful and accurate kicking game is paramount.
 

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He's not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. I surely rate him higher than De Allende, even anyone else we currently have playing Full back. The fact that he can slot a Penalty/Drop kick from 70 meters out is a bonus!
De Allende is useless. The bulls and lions have a better inside centre, the same with fullbacks we have great quality players currently. Hopefully whoever is in charge just don't play Elton and De Allende together, because then we'll have a hard time making it out of the group stages.
 

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De Allende is useless. The bulls and lions have a better inside centre, the same with fullbacks we have great quality players currently. Hopefully whoever is in charge just don't play Elton and De Allende together, because then we'll have a hard time making it out of the group stages.
Elton should never even feature in anyone's thought... He has shown how useless he was this season. However, Bosch I think should get a shot!
 

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Elton should never even feature in anyone's thought... He has shown how useless he was this season. However, Bosch I think should get a shot!
Agree on Bosch. Would love to see him starting at 10. The only thing he needs to improve (especially at international level) is his defense. I think he will be targeted mercilessly. I haven't seen the squad though. Has Jan Serfontein cracked the nod?
 

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Agree on Bosch. Would love to see him starting at 10. The only thing he needs to improve (especially at international level) is his defense. I think he will be targeted mercilessly. I haven't seen the squad though. Has Jan Serfontein cracked the nod?
Pollard should play 10. Bosch can play 15
 

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Agree on Bosch. Would love to see him starting at 10. The only thing he needs to improve (especially at international level) is his defense. I think he will be targeted mercilessly. I haven't seen the squad though. Has Jan Serfontein cracked the nod?
No Idea. They just mentioned the training group has descended on Pretoria and mentioned Frans Steyn being included.
 

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The alignment squad:

Forwards: Schalk Brits (Vodacom Bulls), Marcell Coetzee (Ulster, Ireland), Lood de Jager (Vodacom Bulls), Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers), Rynardt Elstadt (Toulouse, France), Eben Etzebeth (DHL Stormers), Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers), Vincent Koch (Saracens, England), Siya Kolisi (DHL Stormers), Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers), Malcolm Marx (Emirates Lions), Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers), Tendai Mtawarira (Cell C Sharks), Franco Mostert (Gloucester, England), Marvin Orie (Emirates Lions), Kwagga Smith (Emirates Lions).

Backs: Damian de Allende (DHL Stormers), Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England), Aphiwe Dyantyi (Emirates Lions), Elton Jantjies (Emirates Lions), Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers), Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse, France), Dillyn Lleyds (DHL Stormers), Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz, Japan), Cobus Reinach (Northampton Saints, England), Frans Steyn (Montpellier, France).
 

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Agree on Bosch. Would love to see him starting at 10. The only thing he needs to improve (especially at international level) is his defense. I think he will be targeted mercilessly. I haven't seen the squad though. Has Jan Serfontein cracked the nod?
Bit of concern that Bosch goes the way of Lambie. He wants to play 10 but keeps getting put elsewhere. The Sharks played notably better with him at 10, imo. He's not bad at 15, but kind of wasted talent. Pollard is playing well there at the moment, though. Maybe Bosch on the bench as reserve 10/utility back? Kind of like what Barrett did while Carter was still around.

Not really sure who else makes sense at 15, though. Gelant, maybe? Le Roux didn't do much last time out.
 

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What new rules have been introduced since the last world cup?
I only watch Rugby during the World Cup and it usually takes a few matches to catch-up to new rules.
 

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Rugby: Fiji beat Māori All Blacks for first time since 1957
Fiji has beaten the Māori All Blacks for the first time in more than 60 years with a 27-10 win in Suva.

Led by two tries to centre Waisea Nayacalevu, the Fijian side were too strong for the visitors and claimed their first win over their Māori counterparts since their 17-8 win in Dunedin in 1957.

The Fijian side set the tone of the game from the outset as they moved the ball freely and ran with conviction. With a strong wind at their backs, the hosts were quick to get on the front foot and force the visitors to defend.

Fiji made the most of an average kicking game from the visitors to keep the pressure on and were rewarded in the 21st minute when speedy fullback Alifereti Veitokani was sent through a hole in the defence by first five-eighth Ben Volavola.


The side extended their lead to 12 soon after when No8 Vili Mata breezed past a weak tackle attempt by his opposite Akira Ioane and out-muscled to cover defence to plant the ball in the corner.

A yellow card to first five-eighth Otere Black in the dying stages of the first half put the Māori All Blacks further on the back foot, as they headed into the half time break facing a 12-point deficit.

The differential in time on the football showed in the starts, with more than 70 per cent of the half played in the Māori All Blacks end of the park, with the side missing 21 tackles to Fiji's one in the first 40.

With Black on the sidelines for the first seven minutes of the second half, Fiji made the most of the one-man advantage with Nayacalevu crossing for his first try and Volavola kicking a conversion and a penalty to accumulate a point for every minute Black was in the sin bin. Two tries to left winger Sean Wainui gave the Māori All Blacks some hope late in the contest, but Fiji proved to be too good and sealed their eighth-straight win in Suva.

"We really struggled in that first half to really make our tackles," Māori All Blacks captain Ash Dixon said. "The Fijian boys played some awesome footy and their offload game was pretty good.

"We didn't really exit that well either so we gave them some good opportunities with ball in hand and we couldn't apply any pressure ourselves. So it was really disappointing for us, we've got a lot of things that we need to get right.

"We've got a fair bit to work on. I'd say our defence will be one of the first things we're going to have to start with but in saying that there were some good phases there we put together and went alright, but we didn't apply enough pressure on to the Fijian side and cherish the ball enough."
This is good to see. It seems the new contracting plan is improving the depth available. Samoa should also be in a better position. Many European club players will still be unavailable due to club reasons.
 

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WATCH: Australian rugby star suffers cuts to his arm in stand off with Sandton robber
Australian prop Taniela Tupou was slightly injured after his phone was snatched from him when he and the team were walking back to their Sandton hotel after dinner on Saturday night, the team's spokesperson said.

"Last night in Sandton, north of Johannesburg, Wallabies prop Taniela Tupou was the victim of a phone snatch 50 metres from the team hotel," said Chris Ford by statement.

The 135kg player had been to dinner with eight other players for dinner across the road from the hotel.

"They were walking back at approximately 9.15pm local time, when a man snatched his mobile phone before running away to get into a waiting vehicle.

"Tupou thought it was one of his teammates. When he realised he didn’t know the person, he gave chase and tried to grab it out of the car and suffered some minor cuts to his arm."

He said police took statements from all the players and believe it was part of a series of incidents that night. Tupou was the only player involved in the incident.

The team is in South Africa for a showdown with the Springboks next weekend.
 

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This is good to see. It seems the new contracting plan is improving the depth available. Samoa should also be in a better position. Many European club players will still be unavailable due to club reasons.
It was a solid thrashing. Fiji played well, gave away few penalties and defended very well. Attack was on fire as usual, but they closed up the traditional gaps in their game.

Maori ABs played pretty badly, but still - props to Fiji, well deserved.
 

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France is probably also there just to have someone who has actually lifted the Cup before. I believe he is the only one in the squad that has won a RWC.

He has proved himself on the big stage. Some wacky drop goals against Australia, some long range penalties in NZ during 2009. B&I Winner, RWC winner.
 

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It was a solid thrashing. Fiji played well, gave away few penalties and defended very well. Attack was on fire as usual, but they closed up the traditional gaps in their game.

Maori ABs played pretty badly, but still - props to Fiji, well deserved.

The Pacific Nations Cup is starting on the 27th of July. The participating teams are Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, Japan, the United States and Canada. Unfortunately, since it is Rugby World Cup year this competition will serve as a pre-warmup for testing depth going into the Rugby World Cup warm-up matches going into the Rugby World Cup.

Many of these teams have improved. I believe Japan is in a better place than they were in 2015, the USA is definitely improved, Fiji and Samoa have a sort of hybrid central contracting program which will result in more experienced younger players supported by veterans. However, some clubs are still holding Fiji and Samoa back from their 'better' player selections.

Tonga is a bit of a dark horse, also improved coaching structures, but players are called up from far and wide for national duties within a small window of opportunity, as it were with Fiji and Samoa, with many veterans being held back by their European clubs. Canada has slipped, they have had three chances to qualify for the Rugby World Cup and the repechage favoured them more so than others, conditionally.

The Pacific Nations Cup. Likely to go to Japan or Fiji, but Samoa and the USA also have a chance to surprise. I don’t know about Japan, playing at strength. Jamie Joseph doesn’t want to play the younger players and he doesn't want to risk all of his players hence he hasn't played his best available team to date.

Nonetheless, the Pacific Nations Cup is enterprising rugby at its best, made up with from the smallest up to the largest players, team specific, in the world. Worth the watch, a competition of sporting art, it is more exciting than the Rugby Championship and the Six Nations Championship.
 

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Japan has been hit. Rahboni Warren-Vosayaco has been deemed ineligible to represent Japan at the Rugby World Cup. Strange that Jamie Joseph called him up as he is months short to be eligible. Grant Hattingh is also out, he won’t be in recuperated in time.

Japan’s eligibility list is to be announced tomorrow as their squad will be named to participate in the PNC.

Short a man at lock and Joseph hasn’t really given enough eight-man specialists a chance.
 
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