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Revealed: Typhoon contingency plan was to move matches 14 miles away
World Rugby’s failure to properly prepare for Japan’s extreme weather can be revealed with World Cup organisers initially making plans to move England v France and other matches in Yokohama to Tokyo Stadium – just 14 miles away.

Super Typhoon Hagibis has wreaked havoc on the World Cup with England’s Pool C decider in Yokohama cancelled and Scotland’s pivotal match with Japan, scheduled to take place in the same stadium on Sunday, in serious jeopardy. Hagibis is due to hit Tokyo and Yokohama on Saturday night local time and is forecast to be one of the most violent in recent history. It is measured at 870 miles wide.

But despite years to come up with extensive contingency plans, with the tournament director, Alan Gilpin, insisting in 2018 that the threat of natural disasters was “a really hot topic for us”, it is understood that before the emergence of Hagibis, organisers considered the nearby Tokyo Stadium the most suitable alternative to Yokohama.

When that inevitably became impossible, organisers hurriedly explored moving England’s match to Oita, more than 500 miles away on the south island of Kyushu. Ultimately it was decided that was not logistically viable nor safe for travelling supporters at such short notice.

World Rugby has repeatedly insisted it has “robust contingency plans” but has not expanded any further and on Thursday, when it was confirmed England’s match with France and New Zealand’s encounter with Italy were cancelled, Gilpin revealed there were not any in place for Scotland’s game against Japan.

Tens of thousands of supporters have been left in limbo in Tokyo and Yokohama and while they will receive a full refund for their match tickets, World Rugby will not reimburse any travel costs. The fact organisers considered a stadium 14 miles away would initially be an appropriate alternative venue raises huge question marks over World Rugby’s contingency planning.

Had Oita, or Sapporo – 700 miles north of Yokohama – been designated as alternatives in the first place cancelled matches could have been avoided. “We always knew there would be risks but it’s rare for there to be a typhoon of this size at this stage of the year,” said Gilpin on Thursday. “We have no regrets.”

In the absence of any contingency plans, Scotland v Japan will either take place on Sunday or be cancelled. Scotland, who face elimination if the match is called off, have countered by insisting the match should go ahead, even if it has to be behind closed doors. The Scottish union has also threatened legal action if the match is not played.

14 Miles... in typhoon season. I guess the organisers didn't expect a super typhoon.
 

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This is a Kaiju,


but according to the trajectory, it should be clear by Sunday. That looks like it will leave devastation in its tracks. The intensity of the cyclone is to come all the way down from Typhoon to an Extra-tropical Low classification by Sunday the 13th. When it hits Japan it will be one level below from Violent, rated as Very Strong (sustained wind speeds of 157–193km/h). I see a Super Typhoon has a sustained wind speed of at least 190km/h. Hagibis, though still extremely dangerous, will have calmed down a bit when making landfall. I hope people stay safe.

I believe ~130km/h was the highest recorded wind speed, don't know whether it was a sustained wind speed, in Cape Town. We have gusts which may be quite a property ripper.
 

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The chances that tomorrow’s will be cancelled are becoming more and more likely. I see Japan had their captain’s run today at Chichibunomiya stadium.


They haven’t even been hit by the typhoon’s might, yet, and to make matters worse there was an earthquake earlier in central Japan in Odawara.
 

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The chances that tomorrow’s will be cancelled are becoming more and more likely. I see Japan had their captain’s run today at Chichibunomiya stadium.


They haven’t even been hit by the typhoon’s might, yet, and to make matters worse there was an earthquake earlier in central Japan in Odawara.
I'm almost wanting this game to be cancelled. The tiffy Scotland are throwing might be more entertaining than the game itself
 

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I'm almost wanting this game to be cancelled. The tiffy Scotland are throwing might be more entertaining than the game itself

The good thing about Yokohama Stadium is that it was constructed to withstood natural disasters, as any structure should, but also when in actual use or to withstand 'Flash' disasters. It is basically situated on a hill within a retarding basin should I understand correctly. Flooding is reported in the area with the Tsurumi River overrunning the entire area around the stadium.

According to the authorities, all public transport will be suspended, well into tomorrow somewhere sometime. This basically spells the match to be cancelled in advance at this time, unless Japan can do miracles at cleaning and clearing up the devastation. They may, however, decide to declare the grounds good to play on and then play behind closed doors with only the broadcasters and media. I have seen the photos earlier and Yokohama Stadium doesn’t look accessible, looks like it is standing on its own island. The storm's most dangerous cycle is still too come. I believe as I am typing this they are being hit at the hardest the typhoon can throw at them.

This is also the strongest typhoon to hit the area in 60 years, the last one recorded at this size was back in 1958.
 

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So when does a final call get made on the match tomorrow?

The stadium will be inspected at the soonest the risk is acceptable. Basically, they are waiting on the cyclone to pass or to be declared as LOW intensity and then to determine whether the area is accessible, once their investigation and inspection are concluded they will engage with the Rugby World Cup stakeholders and then make the public announcement.
 

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The stadium, or International Stadium Yokohama to be precise, is located where I made the red dot within the red circle,

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It is clear why the England vs France and New Zealand vs Italy schedules was cancelled.
 

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Some insiders have mentioned that the matches may be played behind closed doors. It looks like only some ticketholders and some broadcasters will being punished pending on the assessment.

The match will continue it seems, maybe very wet conditions.

Anyhow, this Typhoon, 400km in diameter hit Osaka last year,


Super Typhoon Hagibis is 1,400km in diameter.
So?

Can't these rugby okes play in a bit of wind and rain?
 

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It is reported 1 person dead and 1 person missing, but this is reported through the general media. I believe these casualties may have more to do so with the earthquake than the cyclone, or combined circumstances.

The Namibia vs Canada match is also now possibly cancelled.
 

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Ireland smashed Samoa despite only playing with 14 men for most of the match.

Hopefully they get NZ in the quarters and we get Japan.
 

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It's not a rarity for Japan to be in the shyte regarding weather and earthquakes and such ….. should never have held the RWC there. I'm glad it's coming back to bite them.
 

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Quarters look very predictable apart from the England vs Australia match.

England vs Australia (England are favorites but will be close)
NZ vs Ireland (NZ win, Ireland has a rush defense which NZ have had good practice with playing SA in the pool and the 4 nations)
South Africa vs Japan (SA wins, SA played the Japanese team in the warmups so will know their tactics and should easily be able to beat them)
Wales vs France (Wales win easily, French team is poor and should have lost against Argentina)
 

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This thread has turned into the weather thread :ROFL:

Pending on whether the Japan vs Scotland schedule will go ahead or not it may change into the World Rugby Capture Inquiry thread.


Japan v Scotland: Scottish Union to seek millions in damages if Rugby World Cup game cancelled
The Scottish Rugby Union is set to launch a multi-million dollar claim for damages if Sunday's Rugby World Cup game against hosts Japan is cancelled.

The Daily Telegraph has reported that the union has enlisted the services of eminent sports lawyer Nick De Marco QC to head the claim against World Rugby.

It was also reported Scotland have considered an injunction against World Rugby in the English courts to force it to move or reschedule the game, but that seemed unlikely with the match scheduled for Sunday.

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It's reported the SRU would claim for damages if the match was called off - resulting in them missing out on a place in the quarterfinals. It would claim World Rugby regulations allowed for the game to be moved or rescheduled under the force majeure clause, but opted not to do so.

The claim would not just be for loss of prizemoney, but damages based on commercial and sponsorship revenues over the next four years, worth several million pounds, the Daily Telegraph reported.
 

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Rugby World Cup 2019: Broadcasters set to claim compensation over cancelled games
Broadcasting chiefs are reportedly set to claim compensation for the Rugby World Cup organisers' decision to cancel games in Japan due to the typhoon risk.

World Rugby chose to cancel the All Blacks-Italy and England-France pool games over concerns about the impact of Typhoon Hagibis.

Alan Gilpin, World Rugby's chief operating officer and the Rugby World Cup tournament director, has claimed no conversations around compensation had yet been held with its broadcast partners.

However, The Times newspaper reported broadcasting executives had told the paper they would be expecting compensation.

The England-France game was expected to draw a massive audience in both countries.

Gilpin said the compensation issue was a matter for discussion with World Rugby's insurers.

"That is not a conversation we have begun yet with our broadcast partners.

"We are very fortunate to have a very loyal and strong set of partners who have been with us for many Rugby World Cups and we will have some appropriate and sensible conversations with them about what the impacts of these decisions have been for them.

Here contractural obligations apply, also insurance which should be covered in the contract. I don't see the broadcasters making a big story about it in the public. The media is stirring...
 
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