2019 Rugby World Cup

thestaggy

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6/2 split on the bench again. So the idea presumably is to do what they did against Japan. Keep it in the forwards and basically pound Wales into submission. Won't be pretty but if it is effective, I won't care.

The Welsh have a bit more beef than the Japanese do.

France fielded the heaviest pack in test match history for game 1 of the Six Nations against Wales with an emphasis of dominating the Welsh forwards. They lost.

France to field heaviest pack in international rugby union history

France’s monster pack that will face Wales at the Stade de France on Friday night could well be the heaviest international pack ever to take to the field in the game’s history.

Brunel is clearly looking to take the battle to Wales upfront, naming a gargantuan pack that tips the scales at over 950kg.

The total weight of the pack is a staggering 962kg, a full 60kg heavier than most international sides. While it’s significantly less than a one tonne pack fielded by Toulouse in 2017, it’s almost certainly the heaviest pack fielded in international rugby history.

That puts the average weight of a player at slightly over 120kg, or a shade under 19 stone a man in old money (or 265 pounds in American). The average height of the pack is 6 foot 4 inches.

The Welsh back row tackled everything that moved as the game wore on

The French pack included 135 kgs of Afrikaner beef in Paul Willemse.

It may work, but I'm not comfortable going in with only a Plan A that revolves around brute force when up against elite nations.
 

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The Welsh have a bit more beef than the Japanese do.

France fielded the heaviest pack in test match history for game 1 of the Six Nations against Wales with an emphasis of dominating the Welsh forwards. They lost.

France to field heaviest pack in international rugby union history





The French pack included 135 kgs of Afrikaner beef in Paul Willemse.

It may work, but I'm not comfortable going in with only a Plan A that revolves around brute force when up against elite nations.
I don't disagree but it's not just what you have but how you use it.

Also, have a little faith that there is more than a Plan A. Saying there's only a Plan A is also a bit unfair on the 2019 boks. They are well drilled and play a very situational game that has contingencies for when things don't work. They also have a plan for creating space. Doesn't always work but also relies on execution and creating opportunities in 3, 4 or 5 phases.
 

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I see Halfpeeny is back, not great for us but i think we should still win by 7-10.
 

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The Welsh have a bit more beef than the Japanese do.

France fielded the heaviest pack in test match history for game 1 of the Six Nations against Wales with an emphasis of dominating the Welsh forwards. They lost.

France to field heaviest pack in international rugby union history





The French pack included 135 kgs of Afrikaner beef in Paul Willemse.

It may work, but I'm not comfortable going in with only a Plan A that revolves around brute force when up against elite nations.

That "Heavy pack" the French fielded where just that, heavy. SA's pack is not just heavy but huge and fit too. Massive difference.

I suspect we'll trump Wales pretty easy. Smash them to pieces up front and then play the ball as it bounces from the Faf kicks again. You can actually see how they are playing. They have free reign running the phases for 4 phases to see if they can get a gap to break through, if not, on the 5th phase Faf kicks.

You can watch that through all the games this RWC. If we are ample to make that simple deduction, I'm sure Wales have seen it to. Thus I hope Rassie changes it up a little.
 

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If Willie plays then we will lose against Wales.

Willie has had some heavy blunders by all means. He however has been the crucial guy to send away our wingers and create attacking opportunities. He has 2 forward passes and miss a couple of high kicks and he's useless... He's there as a play maker, not so much for his skill on the high ball.
 

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Thing is Wales have been rather awful this WC and are lucky to be in the semi. It's not to say that they are not capable of beating us, but on current form we should have their number easily.

Our defense has been superb and suspect we will keep them tryless, or no more than one try. If Pollard coverts his kicks and we take our opportunities to score, then we'll be fine.

There are areas in our game that can improve but Rassie knows our strengths and weaknesses and planning accordingly.
 

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Here is an excellent analysis of the Boks chosen style of play. You might not like it, but this should help you understand it:




Which is why I don't understand the obsession with Faf and kicking. It was a game plan and the team stuck to it perfectly.

Now, the question is, is it a game plan that will work against NZ (assuming that it works against Wales)? I think not, and I don't think the team will be able to switch strategy effectively for one game.
 

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Which is why I don't understand the obsession with Faf and kicking. It was a game plan and the team stuck to it perfectly.

Now, the question is, is it a game plan that will work against NZ (assuming that it works against Wales)? I think not, and I don't think the team will be able to switch strategy effectively for one game.
It will work if he kicks well on the day and not just 10metres forward.

The problem is NZ will do the same, and our guys cant catch high balls, its been proven over and over this world cup and even for a long time prior
 

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I suspect we'll trump Wales pretty easy. Smash them to pieces up front and then play the ball as it bounces from the Faf kicks again. You can actually see how they are playing. They have free reign running the phases for 4 phases to see if they can get a gap to break through, if not, on the 5th phase Faf kicks.

I hope most of the international teams do not just rely on Squidge to analyse the opposition teams, but have his insightand more resources at their disposal.

A player that does something we regard as stupid week in and week out e.g. Faf kicking the ball away or De Allende bashing into the first defender and we wonder why the coach picks them. Eventually it must sink in that they are following orders, and doing exactly what the coach is expecting and planning. For that situation, that is the right action, if it leads to nothing, its not from lack of execution of orders, but that the plan didn't work, or the counter plan worked better.
 

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That "Heavy pack" the French fielded where just that, heavy. SA's pack is not just heavy but huge and fit too. Massive difference.

I suspect we'll trump Wales pretty easy. Smash them to pieces up front and then play the ball as it bounces from the Faf kicks again. You can actually see how they are playing. They have free reign running the phases for 4 phases to see if they can get a gap to break through, if not, on the 5th phase Faf kicks.

You can watch that through all the games this RWC. If we are ample to make that simple deduction, I'm sure Wales have seen it to. Thus I hope Rassie changes it up a little.

Both of their locks in that game were taller and heavier than Etzebeth. One of the props was 6'5. Louis Picamole in the back row is a unit himself.

They threw a lot of timber at the Welsh and the Welsh felled it. These boys come from farming and coal-mining stock. They have some big backs too, especially in the inside channels where we will be sending our battering rams. Dan Biggar at flyhalf is 1.88cm and 93 kgs. The centres are built like loose forwards; George North is 1.94cm and 109 kgs and Hadleigh Parkes is 1.87cm and 101 kgs.

All I am saying is the Welsh are far better equipped to deal with the game we want to play. Its going to be a bloody tough game.
 
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Not sure if it was posted, but after watching the documentary , The Brighton Miracle, I am interested to see how England come out tomorrow....

 

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You can actually see how they are playing. They have free reign running the phases for 4 phases to see if they can get a gap to break through, if not, on the 5th phase Faf kicks.

You can watch that through all the games this RWC. If we are ample to make that simple deduction, I'm sure Wales have seen it to. Thus I hope Rassie changes it up a little.
Not the last game against Japan. There we did a lot more kicking. I would be happy if we play a few phases and then kick.

It might have been the plan specifically for Japan. After the warm up game Rassie said they kicked more to practice their defence. I geuss that worked so well in the warmup that they just decided it will be the game play for Japan in the QF.
 
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Not sure if it was posted, but after watching the documentary , The Brighton Miracle, I am interested to see how England come out tomorrow....


Thats whats confusing me isnt it an actual movie


 

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OT:

Japan's JRFU is a mess. Jamie Joseph has some weeks ago expressed that he needs to return to New Zealand and that he will only accept a contract extension up to 2021. This sent the entire union into turmoil when they indeed achieved their target at the RWC. Now they want to retain Joseph and have put out the biggest head coach contract in rugby union's history to retain his services.

In the case that Joseph declines this contract which is alleged to be more than 800 000 Euros (400 million Yen over 4 years) then they have already shortlisted 10 individuals.

These 4 were made known:

- Jake White (Toyota Verblitz)
- Wayne Smith (Kobelco Steelers)
- Eddie Jones (England)
- Robbie Deans (Panasonic Wild Knights)

They did include Deans :thumbsup: Smith, Deans or Jones are all great coaches. I doubt White will make a good Japanese national coach, but he does have a positive outlook in Japan and he does seem to like Japanese rugby players.


Anyhow, it seems the JRFU will approach all coaches on the shortlist with a single request, take it or leave it in simple terms. They are willing to pay a lot to improve rugby in Japan. Joseph was already their highest-paid coach in history and he earned 40 million Yen (R5.5 million) per year, it will be quite an increase. ****, it is close to R55 million over 4 years. See how quick Japan throws money at things with high TV ratings.

At this time SANZAAR is in negotiations with the JRFU to bring them into The Rugby Championship in two years time. I guess that is 2021 which will also be the year that Japan may or may not launch their Pro League, more about this on the 18th November.
 
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