2023 Israel-Hamas war: Micah's Idol (Part 2)

[Vorastra]

Continued from:

2023 Israel-Hamas war: Horns of Jericho (Part 1)

Continued from: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/palestinian-militants-launch-dozens-of-rockets-into-israel-sirens-are-heard-across-the-country.1258570/ With Hamas repelled and Israel conducting a heavy air campaign, a ground war could be on the horizon. Will Hezbollah intervene? Will...

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With Israel now having Hamas firmly on the defensive, the two have had to resort to negotiating for hostages and prisoners on the basis of a ceasefire.
Iran and Hezbollah seem to be out of the fight and both seem to have resorted to sabre-rattling rather than any concrete actions of support.

Meanwhile the Yemeni Houthis are launching a piracy campaign against ships in the Red Sea.

Now that things seem to be levelling out, and with the apparent plight of the civilians in Gaza being shown around the world, will we see a slowdown in fighting or back to an aerial bombing campaign?

Will the UN push for a peacekeeping force, will Israel tolerate it, and will the UNSC allow it?

Let's begin.

 

[saturnz]

With Israel now having Hamas firmly on the defensive,

why not kill them all and claim victory then?

 

[Vorastra]

The last time this was tried the Brits got out their stick, and the French threw their baguette on the floor.

 

[Vorastra]

why not kill them all and claim victory then?

Do you not agree with my summary.

 

[Vorastra]

@The Voice Israel outlet, Haaretz, seems to have the same story.
The hostages waving the white flag even shouted out "help" in Hebrew.

Hostages killed by soldiers waved makeshift white flag, yelled 'help' in Hebrew

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www.haaretz.com

 

[saturnz]

Do you not agree with my summary.

just seems strange that if you have your enemy on the defensive, that you would give them respite

how many said before that Hamas must be completely eliminated, and there should be no possibility for them re-organising themselves

 

[The Voice]

Cap reached on last thread, so here we go again.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Yoh.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1735997001152475415

More than 4,000 French people involved in the Israeli army which is committing war crimes in Gaza!

A survey carried out by Europe 1 indicates that 4,185 soldiers of French nationality are currently mobilized within the Israeli army on the front in Gaza. This is the largest contingent after that of the United States.

Given the war crimes committed by the Israeli army, both in Gaza and the West Bank, it is unacceptable for French citizens to participate.

While the UN, through several of its special rapporteurs, warns of genocidal risks, that more than 17,000 Palestinians have been killed, the presence of citizens of French nationality dishonors France.

France must condemn with the greatest firmness this participation in war crimes.

I ask the Minister of Justice that people of French nationality (including dual nationals) guilty of war crimes be brought before French justice. As colonization constitutes a crime against humanity, citizens of French nationality who participate in it in the Palestinian territories must also answer for their actions before the courts.

Not going to happen.

 

[Koning Witou Solomon]

Continued from:

2023 Israel-Hamas war: Horns of Jericho (Part 1)

Continued from: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/palestinian-militants-launch-dozens-of-rockets-into-israel-sirens-are-heard-across-the-country.1258570/ With Hamas repelled and Israel conducting a heavy air campaign, a ground war could be on the horizon. Will Hezbollah intervene? Will...

mybroadband.co.za

With Israel now having Hamas firmly on the defensive, the two have had to resort to negotiating for hostages and prisoners on the basis of a ceasefire.
Iran and Hezbollah seem to be out of the fight and both seem to have resorted to sabre-rattling rather than any concrete actions of support.

Meanwhile the Yemeni Houthis are launching a piracy campaign against ships in the Red Sea.

Now that things seem to be levelling out, and with the apparent plight of the civilians in Gaza being shown around the world, will we see a slowdown in fighting or back to an aerial bombing campaign?

Will the UN push for a peacekeeping force, will Israel tolerate it, and will the UNSC allow it?

Let's begin.

You kinda left out a connected point, even though there are other threads.

Radical support for Palestine has also seen many countries rethink their immigration polices.

 

[Vorastra]

Yoh.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1735997001152475415

Not going to happen.

The French, on occasion, seem to show some autonomy and go against what the US and friends want. But Israel is too big for them to step out of line.

 

[Vorastra]

You kinda left out a connected point, even though there are other threads.

Explain.

 

[wingnut771]

Yoh.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1735997001152475415

Not going to happen.

Yeah, what war crimes. It’s almost like they don’t know what a war is.

 

[Koning Witou Solomon]

Explain.

The side-effect of this war was to get certain immigrants in countries across the EU, US etc riled up causing issues. A kind of wake-up call that will influence immigration policies for years to come.

 

[Vorastra]

The side-effect of this war was to get certain immigrants in countries across the EU, US etc riled up causing issues. A kind of wake-up call that will influence immigration policies for years to come.

Israel will just help send more to Europe.

 

[vaakseun]

2023 Israel-Hamas war: Micah's Idol (Part 2)​

It's the third thread now, so "Part 3"

 

[Vorastra]

It's the third thread now, so "Part 3"

The "first" thread has a different title. The first was also about the October 7 event.

These last 2 have been about the actual war.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I guess this is where the case will rest. Not much more will be made about it.

Three Israeli hostages killed mistakenly by IDF 'had been holding up white flag'

The Israel Defence Forces confirmed three hostages were killed by its soldiers after being mistakenly identified as a threat. Hundreds turned out in Tel Aviv to protest after the news broke last night.

news.sky.com

IDF: Soldiers who shot hostages 'will be hugged' after 'terrible mistake' and military will 'learn lessons'​

The IDF soldiers who mistakenly killed three Israeli hostages yesterday are being "supported" after the "terrible mistake", a spokesman has said, without confirming if they had been removed from duty.

Lieutenant Colonel Richard Hecht told Sky News the killings were not "intentional".

"It was a terrible and tragic mistake," he said, adding that he would not share the details of discussions held with the soldiers after the incident.

"I can tell you first of all we're going to hug them. I'm sure they're feeling terrible after this tragedy," he said.

Asked what the incident means for the Israeli military's professionalism, Lt Col Hecht said the IDF has been "in a very hard battlefield" fighting against what he described as "Satan's army".

"They are not fighting like regular soldiers, they are wearing civilian clothes, they're doing very manipulative actions on the ground, popping out of tunnels, firing from behind civilians," he said.

The officer said the IDF had provided "full transparency" over the hostage killings which "not a lot of militaries" do.

"We will learn our lessons - we said this is against our rules of engagement," said Lt Col Hecht.

He pointed to a "very complex" battlespace in Gaza and said the IDF is doing "everything it can" to minimise casualties.

"There's been multiple successes and there will also be mistakes," he said.

Questioned on whether the hostages were still a priority, Lt Col Hecht said: "Absolutely."

 

[vaakseun]

The first thread has a different title. The first was also about the October 7 event.

These last 2 have been about the actual war.

The war was already well and truly underway in the first thread.

If a mod could perhaps retitle these threads to something more sensible like the Russian Ukraine war threads, thanks.

@bwana

 

[Fulcrum29]

The reporting on the war has slowed down. Not much new to be read anywhere, situationally, other than sentiment. For those wanting up-to-date war movements, ISW have good overviews:

Institute for the Study of War

Iran and its so-called “Axis of Resistance” are exploiting the Israel-Hamas war to demonstrate their capability to control a key maritime route and chokepoint in the Middle East. The Houthis have conducted almost daily drone and missile attacks against co

www.understandingwar.org

Interactive map by ISW and Critical Threats:

Interactive Map: Israel's Operation in Gaza

This interactive map complements the static Israel war maps that ISW-CTP daily produces with high-fidelity and, where possible, street level assessments of the war in Israel. ISW’s and CTP's daily campaign assessments of the war in Israel, including our static maps, are available at...

storymaps.arcgis.com

For clash reports (accuracy pending):

Palestine and Israel news today on map - Jerusalem today - Israel News today - Palestine News today - israelpalestine.liveuamap.com

Israeli-Palestine conflict in live news interactive map. Two-state solution. Capital in Jerusalem

israelpalestine.liveuamap.com

 

[Vorastra]

The war was already well and truly underway in the first thread.

If a mod could perhaps retitle these threads to something more sensible like the Russian Ukraine war threads, thanks.

@bwana

I don't remember the Ukraine war starting in April and yet Part 1 starts 2 months after the beginning of the war.

Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition Part 1

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/apr/03/russia-ukraine-war-latest-russian-retreat-from-kyiv-reveals-atrocities-against-civilians-say-ukrainians-live The sequel of the Russian invasion of Ukraine - 2014 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War https://www.uawardata.com/

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