2023 Israel-Hamas war: Micah's Idol (Part 2)

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With all the talk around a ceasefire and a 2 state solution, who will be in charge of Gaza? Hamas has been in power since 2006, they won't give up their donation cash cow.
 

In 1948, after the UN announced the state, all of Israel’s Arab neighbours invaded to try to wipe it out. They failed. But the upper estimate of the casualties on all sides came to some 20,000 people. The upper estimates of the wars of 1967 and 1973, when Israel’s neighbours once again attempted to annihilate it, are very similar (some 20,000 and 15,000 respectively). Subsequent wars in Lebanon and Gaza add several thousands more to that figure. It means that up to the present war, some 60,000 people had died on every side in all wars involving Israel.

Over the past decade of civil war in Syria, Bashar al-Assad has managed to kill more than ten times that number. Although precise figures are hard to come by, Assad is reckoned to have murdered some 600,000 Arab Muslims in his country. Meaning that every six to 12 months he manages to kill the same number as died in every war involving Israel ever.

There are lots of reasons you might give to explain this: that people don’t care when Muslims kill Muslims; that people don’t care when Arabs kill Arabs; that they only care if Israel is involved.
Indeed.

But I suspect it is a moral explanation which explains the situation so many people find themselves in. They simply enjoy being able to accuse the world’s only Jewish state of ‘genocide’ and ‘Nazi-like behaviour’. They enjoy the opportunity to wound Jews as deeply as possible. Many find it satisfies the intense fury they feel when Israel is winning.
I see this as plausible, but why? Why do some people develop such an intense fury when they see Israel being successful?
 
I see this as plausible, but why? Why do some people develop such an intense fury when they see Israel being successful?
Simple, because they are successful despite all the obstacles put in their way,
people often hate the underdog, and while the Arabs did their best to destroy the embryonic Jewish state,
they failed, and the conflict of 75 years is still going today in various forms and intensities.

really isnt much here to say other than Jews survived what many other peoples who are stateless never could,
for instance the Kurds of Iraq and Turkey, why do they not have their own state?
 
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Indeed.


I see this as plausible, but why? Why do some people develop such an intense fury when they see Israel being successful?
Jew hatred.
Some of them learn it in mosque and madrassa.
Some people are full of hate and just look for groups to hate, and it's both fashionable and largely unpunishable to hate Jews at the moment (some just pretend and claim they only hate Zionists).
But it's a millenia old cycle, and we're at it again.
 
This is more interesting:




Not any Arabs, but also Arab-Israelis. This will be an odd divide IF approved.
I don't often agree with you, but in this case yes. It will be an odd divide.
He's right - some of the Arab Israelis are actively terrorists - but how do you tell the difference without discriminating against an entire group?
 
I don't often agree with you, but in this case yes. It will be an odd divide.
He's right - some of the Arab Israelis are actively terrorists - but how do you tell the difference without discriminating against an entire group?
very difficult, but here is where some truly Orwellian technologies and platforms come into being,
said arab Israelis posts are scanned, phone calls tapped and analyzed, facial recondition employed, and many other technologies for national security.
same as what they use in the USA/China and im sure even here in SA.
 
they are successful despite all the obstacles put in their way
True.
I don't give the Israeli's credit for that though, I see it as evidence of God's favour. There's simply no way that they could have achieved what they have, from a military perspective, without divine intervention.
 
So I get that people feel strongly about this whole issue from either side...

But ffs, this lot should focus on their studies and actually pass.
The student supporting Israel is forced to speak out about her experiences on campus, the pro Palestinians are praising a terror groups action thousands of kilometres away
 
The student supporting Israel is forced to speak out about her experiences on campus, the pro Palestinians are praising a terror groups action thousands of kilometres away

I get why its happening without a doubt, but its just a retarded waste of time (in my opinion) for the varisty/the students/etc... they should be teaching and studying.
 
interesting how this "logistical hub" is gowing - now at 16sq km

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Egypt has built more than 3km of wall in the past week in addition to further clearance of a large area next to its border with Gaza, BBC Verify has found.

Egyptian authorities say "no provisions" are being made for displaced Palestinians and the area is meant for a "logistical hub" for aid.

But an aid worker for a UK charity, who is part of the humanitarian efforts in Gaza, told the BBC she had "never seen large scale clearing of land" for such a logistical hub and they were unaware of any such plan.

More than 16 sq km (6 sq miles) have been cleared just over the border from Gaza, visible in the recent satellite images.
The clearing of this area began at the start of February, but has expanded dramatically over the past week.
Sections of wall around this area now appear to be under construction.

On 14 February, about 0.8km (0.5 miles) of wall were visible in satellite imagery, but the most recent pictures indicate more that than 4km (2.5 miles) has now been erected.
Andreas Krieg, a senior lecturer in security studies at Kings College, London, said: "You do not need to clear that much ground to stage waiting trucks. To me, it very much looks like Egypt making preparations for the worst-case scenario."
"If you put this in perspective of how big this area this is, 16 km sq of trucks, that is thousands and thousands of trucks. There's never been a situation where you've had thousands of trucks waiting at the border."
 
True.
I don't give the Israeli's credit for that though, I see it as evidence of God's favour. There's simply no way that they could have achieved what they have, from a military perspective, without divine intervention.
believe whatever you want to believe, but ask yourself this, why are the Israelis/Jews always persecuted through history, from the inquisition to the holocaust,
and suddenly they have a state and are the sworn enemies of the Muslims/Arabs?

you can believe in divine intervention as much as you want, OR you can look at it from a practical point, where the horrors of the holocaust were the proverbial last straw, that pushed the Jews to simply say enough, and decide to fight for their own tiny piece of land where they can raise their kids in, and farm peacefully.

so again, up to interpretation IMO, you can bible bash and say God chosen people, OR you can say as a collective group the Jews said enough of being Killed and persecuted and raped , lets Together DO SOMETHING and get our own state,
 
believe whatever you want to believe, but ask yourself this, why are the Israelis/Jews always persecuted through history, from the inquisition to the holocaust,
and suddenly they have a state and are the sworn enemies of the Muslims/Arabs?
I can give you biblical, even Old Testament prophecies and reasons for all of those too, but you probably won't believe it. Far before the inquisition :laugh: .
 
I can give you biblical, even Old Testament prophecies and reasons for all of those too, but you probably won't believe it. Far before the inquisition :laugh: .
know many people believe in the bible despite the questionable points and spelling/Grammer mistakes that are evident in its publishing,
so not gonna burst your bubble,

but me being a Modern Israeli who has roots from the Holocaust, who's ancestors build a state out of blood sweat and tears. and donations, junk military equipment and crappy small arms,

tends to belive in hard verifiable facts and not stories from an unreliable book written many years before recorded history as we know it.

I bet if I ask you evolution, you will probably try to kill me :laugh:
 
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