256K ADSL? When? Rumours?

Syzygy78

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Hi Everyone [:)]

Has anyone heard anymore about this? There is a rumour going around that Telkom are looking at offering 256K ADSL. What would the line rental be?

Im hoping that Telkom gives unlimited local bandwidth with various packages available to the consumer. I want unshaped packages to be made available... at decent prices!

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Telkom have been hinting at a wider range of products for so long now. Who knows when this will happen?
 

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We need an cost effective and affordable Telkom package allowing for Unlimited dialup connections to your ISP of choice more urgent than alternative ADSL packages.

This would increase the connectivity of the country as a whole and open many more business opportunities for local entrepreneurs.

But we know Telkom: It will miss the golden opportunity of serving the country as a whole!

South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 

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The craziest thing is your initial question... "Do you think line rental will be cheaper". That is where telkom is soooo messed up, line rental sould not be part of the question. They are milking us for every cent.

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In Telkom's reply to the ICASA complaint of a couple of months ago Telkom stated that the mini DSLAMS were expensive, causing the high line rental. And at other times, they seem to imply that it is the international bandwidth. Now somehow, I don't think that a 256k DSLAM is going to be half the price. Maybe Podo can enlighten us here a bit.

I don't expect the price will be very low, if I'd guess the price would be just a bit lower than Sentech's 256k offering - I'm not holding my breath.
 

Syzygy78

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well... perhaps there is a means of sharing a port on a 512K DSLAM thus enabling Telkom to supply 256K ADSL. If you can imagine a double adapter you plug into your power supply... I know its not that simple, but an adapter of some kind might be used.

I agree with Kaspaas... in the USA local calls are free in certain cases and line rentals can be less then 10$ per month! Thats what we need...
 

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Syzygv78,

The technology doesn't really work that way. The ADSL lines are not actually 512kbps, so just splitting one wouldn't give you 256kbps, they are really 6MB, but are limited to 2MB because Telkom use G.Lite and not G.DMT, and then artificially limited to 512kbps by routers just beyond the DSLAM. You couldn't really split an ADSL line either, it just doesn't work that way. Even if it did, it would make no sence for Telkom to do that. The line rental you pay is actually not for the 512kbps line, but for the full 2MB line. Then, you also pay for a PPPoE connection which is limited to 512kbps. If they did introduce this, you would probably pay R100 per month for the PPPoE connection, but would still be paying the same line rental.

kaspaas,

As I've stated on an old post long ago, they wouldn't really consider a service like that, since they already sell it. It's called analogue leased line access. Basically, you get Telkom to lay a dedicated copper line between you and your ISP. If you happen to live in the same exchange as your ISP's PoP, this will cost you about R180 per month. If you are in a different exchange, you need to rent repeaters too, which drives it up to R350 per month. I used a R350 per month analogue leased line to a local ISP for about three years, of course, I got IP access for free because I was the systems administrator at the time.

Your problem here isn't Telkom, since they do actually offer this service, but the South African ISPs. ISPs in general are not willing to allow users to connect analogue leased lines to their PoPs. Those who do offer the service, often expect very expensive monthly fees. This is because a leased line customer is always connected, and can really drive up the ISP's bandwidth bill. A "flat rate dial-up" option would infuriate South African ISPs, since they simply can not afford the kind of bandwidth and infrastructure that they would need to cope with this, and would have no controle over users just connecting and staying connected. My guess, this would lead to ISPs resetting your connection every few hours, just to try and ward off users who dial up and abuse their networks.

If Telkom do introduce such a service, they would have to lower the cost of bandwidth to ISPs, which we all know, they will never do, since they make a lot of money out of Diginet, and don't want to let go of that any time soon.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">and then artificially limited to 512kbps by routers just beyond the DSLAM. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
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Syzygy78

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Thanks for the info...

Here is hoping to better connectivity, better rates, better service and more options.

Have a nice week-end,
Syzygy78
 

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podo : that arguement doesn't work. If telkom made the first step and made local calls free/fixed price or just internet calls. This would be big help to the entire South Africa. Then telkom has done its side of the bargain.

We really have a massive amount of isps in south africa. Im sure if this situation happen they will moan at first but will eventually find their own solution. Something like prehaps blocking p2p. Or charging slightly more for such services.

Whats kaspaas is saying, is we need connectivity for everyone. P2P and other such services is just not an essential. With more people ppl on the net E-Commerce And other services will bloom on the net

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So true! Could not agree more. There is however no reason why Telkom cannot make ADSL more affordable without shrinking the product even more.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kaspaas</i>
<br />We need an cost effective and affordable Telkom package allowing for Unlimited dialup connections to your ISP of choice more urgent than alternative ADSL packages.

This would increase the connectivity of the country as a whole and open many more business opportunities for local entrepreneurs.

But we know Telkom: It will miss the golden opportunity of serving the country as a whole!

South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
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### What we need in South Africa is cheap 24/7, always on Internet for under R300 a month. ###
 

antowan

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But this is where a new TELCO can do wonders, not?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by podo</i>
<br />Syzygv78,

Your problem here isn't Telkom, since they do actually offer this service, but the South African ISPs. ISPs in general are not willing to allow users to connect analogue leased lines to their PoPs. Those who do offer the service, often expect very expensive monthly fees. This is because a leased line customer is always connected, and can really drive up the ISP's bandwidth bill. A "flat rate dial-up" option would infuriate South African ISPs, since they simply can not afford the kind of bandwidth and infrastructure that they would need to cope with this, and would have no controle over users just connecting and staying connected. My guess, this would lead to ISPs resetting your connection every few hours, just to try and ward off users who dial up and abuse their networks.

If Telkom do introduce such a service, they would have to lower the cost of bandwidth to ISPs, which we all know, they will never do, since they make a lot of money out of Diginet, and don't want to let go of that any time soon.

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### What we need in South Africa is cheap 24/7, always on Internet for under R300 a month. ###
 

Mean_Monster

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Podo valid point on the modem to user ratio of ISP not being able to handle 24/7 dial up connections.

However surely any ISP will smile at the prospect of potentially a huge increase in its customer base. Yes, they will have to invest in new equipment and bandwidth. But then again the income will be more with more clients. Not all users are download crazy. But agreed that bandwidth usage would triple even maybe more.

That is where they should be able to get cheaper bandwith from Telkom. Maybe telkom will do a 10 Mbps at ridiculous rates and 20 Mbps at 1.5 X ridiculous rates. So the second 10Mbps is half the price.. (errmm wait this is Telkom... We are screwed) With enough clients this becomes an option.

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Yes! it is true! Not the 256k ADSL rumours (not sure about that one), but the Internet Solutions (IS) will be offering some form of ADSL account. From what I hear, it will be uncapped, so I think it may be like the Datapro solution.

Thats all I know
 
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