2GB RAM crashing my Rig

Eh!

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Apprantly 32bit applications aka windows xp can't support anything more than 2gb of ram without crashing. I removed 1 stick (1gb) and experienced no crash at all. I recently upgraded from 512 to 2gb and now I can't play a game past 30 min without crashing and I've googled for soluations but apparantly this problem is common but I can't find any solution:confused:
 

hj2k_x

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What system you running? And what OS exactly?

I have 6GB RAM and SP is fine :)
 

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Windows XP SP3

2600+ XP
2GB DDR400
M/B333

I upgraded from 1X256DDR333 and 1XDDR400 totlling 512MB with no prob for the past 3 years

from anandtech http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3034
"For some time now we have been mentioning the potential problems that are likely to result from the switchover from 32bit(x86) Windows to 64bit(x64) Windows. Due to a multitude of issues, including Windows' memory management, the basic design of the PC architecture, and consumer support issues, there is no easy path for mass migration from 32bit Windows to 64bit Windows. As a result we have been expecting problems as consumers begin to make the messy transition.

We published the above mentioned guide on February 1st, expecting the fall/winter 2007 games to be the ones to push the 2GB addressing space limitation of Windows, and it turns out we were wrong. It turns out that two weeks after we published the above article, THQ published Supreme Commander, a RTS with a massive appetite for resources. It can be simultaneously GPU limited and CPU limited, which is why it's a standard benchmark here for our performance articles, it's also memory limited in more than one way: it's hitting the 2GB barrier of 32bit Windows.

An artifact of the design of 32bit processors and the 32bit API for Windows, the 2GB barrier is a cap on how much addressing space (related to but not equivalent to memory usage) a single application can use. This isn't a bug but rather the result of how hardware and software was created so many years ago, and while everyone has known this barrier will inevitably be hit, as we'll see there are several reasons why it can't simply be moved or bypassed. Meanwhile hitting it involves affected applications crashing for what can appear to be no good reason, and understanding why the 2GB barrier exists and what can be done will be important for resolving those crashes.

On a personal note, I am a semi-casual player of real time strategy(RTS) games and I've been playing Supreme Commander lately. This is a different kind of article, it's a record and the result of my own efforts to resolve why I was having crashing issues with Supreme Commander. With no intended disrespect towards THQ or the game's developers (Gas Powered Games) we could have not possibly asked for a better example of the 2GB barrier in action. It's exactly the experience we believe many people will have as they hit the 2GB barrier, mainly those power users who use large monolithic applications such as games or multimedia tools. This is an article on what the problem with the 2GB barrier is, what kind of experiences a user may expect when hitting it, and what can be done to fix it.

But before we get too far ahead of ourselves, let's discuss memory management in Windows. Understanding the problem with Supreme Commander requires understanding what the 2GB barrier is, why it's there, and what makes it so problematic."

Help Me Please!!!
 

The_Techie

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Windows XP can most definitely support 2GB of RAM. Try using Memtest (mentioned in the FAQ) to test the RAM, it's probably a hardware fault.
 

Dan C

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2gig of ddr400 must've cost u a bit ... ? could've upgraded to new mobo,chip and mem for that price... :) Anyhow it must be memory module problems. Have you tried it in different slots etc ?
 

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Nope, i removed 1 gb and no prob. 2 sticks (2gb) then my comp keeps crashing
 

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Nope, i removed 1 gb and no prob. 2 sticks (2gb) then my comp keeps crashing

Have you tried every module individually? Does it crash then?

I'm still inclined to believe that it's a fault with one of the modules, Memtest should give us a definitive answer...
 

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Yes, I even went back to my old 512 RAM and everything runs fine including...ahem "the witcher" and C&C3. Tried using 1 x 1gb and runs fine as well. But 2gb keeps crashing.

I'm not alone

2gb ram causes pc to crash?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080308144221AABomDi

2gb RAM upgrade + Soundcard leading to crashes
I just installed 2gbs of CORSAIR XMS2 (TWIN2X2048-6400) and a sound blaster x-fi xtremegamer soundcard and now every game crashes. Every game besides World of Warcraft crashes without an error message; they just close and I'm back on the desktop. I ran memtest84 and my RAM passed, but it found a total of 9 errors.
http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=194541
 

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I'm currently running two AMD X2 rigs, both with 4GB DDR400 on XP Pro 32-bit - no crashing problems, XP sees most of the memory, but not the 4GB total (restriction on the 32-bit systems) - maybe your memory sticks or a driver conflict. When I installed an additional IDE RAID PCI Card, it kept crashing and as soon as I took it out, voila - fixed...updated the drivers for the card and re-installed, no more issues.

Have you added any other hardware recently?

Can you post your complete system specs here:- mobo make, model, cpu model, etc - need a bit more of a comprehensive list to diagnose any hardware / driver conflicts / problems... :)
 

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I see the guys at Yahoo gave the same advice:
1. Run Memtest before doing anything else
2. Test the RAM in different slots

Is it 2 x 1GB modules?

As howardb said, a more complete list of system specifications would help quite a bit, we can't rule out driver conflicts just yet :)
 

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Has it got anything to do with your running XP Service Pack 3?
When was SP3 installed? I just got a ZDNet e-mail advising that the official release fo SP3 has been delayed indefinitely, as there is a compatibility glitch somewhere - maybe this is part of the problem?
 

The_Techie

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Has it got anything to do with your running XP Service Pack 3?
When was SP3 installed? I just got a ZDNet e-mail advising that the official release fo SP3 has been delayed indefinitely, as there is a compatibility glitch somewhere - maybe this is part of the problem?

I doubt it, since the problem disappears once the amount of RAM is lowered... But anything is possible, especially when Microsoft is involved :D

I'm still inclined to blame the RAM :D
 

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I had problems with my old rig. AMD 3200 with 2 512's. Had blue screens when I put them in
some of the slots. Don't know if you have 4 slots or not, but if so try swap them around, also check for a BIOS update of your mobo if still available.
 

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Check to see if its single sided or double sided ram
there is some boards that doesnt support more than 1gb of double sided RAM
or try using the 1gb and the 512mb ram together and see what happens.
 

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Check that the timing is the same 3-3-3 & 3-3-2.5 = Crashes!

had the same problem with my old rig had 1 x 512 & 2 x 256
512 = 3-3-3
256 = 3-3-2.5
256 = 3-3-2.5
It would lock up when I had to use more than 512mb of ram
:(

Don't think It's XP I have XP SP2 and runing 2GB's no crashes at all!
 
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@ EH!
What brand of RAM is it? Like quik1 mentioned is it single or double-sided. If it's cheap ram got on eBay (usually Samsung chips at a brilliant price) then your going to have problems - I've seen it before with some of these 1GB and 512MB modules from eBay.
Rule of thumb - get matched modules when running two of the same ram chips - works every time...

As beanie said, it's probably the module itself in all likelyhood - have you tried them in a different PC (if possible) ?
 
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jmulder01

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Could be a chipset driver problem or any other outdated driver for that matter.But I am suspecting the BIOS rather than the OS.Do this first and then start checking the OS/Drivers if it does not work. Update the BIOS to the latest version , see the BIOS release notes for ram compatibillity updates etc.
 

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Got SP3 from Feb issue of NAG and uninstalling it right now.
My computer rebooted twice when I was trying to reply so I'm typing this
in notepad

I've downloaded the memtest but can't figure out how to make a bootable
cd out from it, and who the hell still uses a floppy these days anyway jeez.
I have nero express and the boot creation option creates a normal boot up disk so
how do I create one using the memtest file? The file is in directory I386/WINDIAG.???

My system
AMD +2600XP BARTAN
RAM 2x1GB Hynix DDR400 (previous RAM 1x256 333mhz Hynix and 1X256 DDR400 Kingston)
M/B:ECS KM400-M2 FSB333Mhz
GPU:7600GS
No hardware added recently.

Got a quotation for 1gb DDR400 kingston ram at Menlyn for R760! whereas my 2X1gb cheap
Hynix for R400 each
 

Ekhaatvensters

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The article you linked was nothing to do with RAM btw.

2Gb RAM is definitely fine, people are having problems with faulty sticks of RAM or mis-matched pairs. Have you tried each module separately? Not just running 1GB, but running 1GB with each module alone to see if one of them crashed even by itself.

You should have bought DDR400 RAM second hand, you pay far too much new.
 

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What system you running? And what OS exactly?

I have 6GB RAM and SP is fine :)

6GB ? How are u running em, 2 x 2 and 2 x 1 modules? I currently have 2 x 1GB and planning 2 get another 2 x 2GB. Will it not affect performance if i use all (2 x 2 and 2 x 1GB) in my system? Ideally I'd want to run 8GB: 2 x 2GB + 2 x 2GB :D
 
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