2nd Hand Bakkie / Double Cab Byers Advice

kilobits

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Hey Hey

My brother is thinking about buying a 2nd hand bakkie or double cab... and I was just hoping that those who know about these things might be able to give some money saving advice.

I know nothing about the insides of a motor-vehicle... he knows even less, he bought a new Citroen C4 6 years ago... :D.

The C4 held up fine for 5 years, now there is always something needing attention, and it is working out kinda costly.

Soooooooooo..... the boet has 2 kids with bikes, two dogs, is a surfer and the C4 is just kak for anything but two people... rather than throw more and more money reviving the Citroen, he is mulling a bakkie or double cab.

Here-in begins the confusion... he has been told to avoid diesels, and then told diesels are the way to go... and many other conflicting things.

New is just too expensive at the moment, he has just committed himself to a new (old needs fixing) house.

Any advice from the motor-heads for him... what to look at, how much is enough etc etc etc.

Much thanks will ensue...
 

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I work in the after market motor spares industry for a very large group.Here is my 2cents.

Diesel is fine...just make sure you use the right grade of diesel as there are a couple of different grades.( I would research what the manufacturer recommends.)
Make sure you know where you are going to to service the vehicle prior to purchasing it. IMO i would take it to a specialist in that particular brand that you are considering...
Remember you cannot run dry on diesel like you can on a petrol vehicle...there are major complications involved...
Try to get the diesel vehicle that has the lowest km's...not the one that looks in better condition...
Finally there are a number of decent diesel pump rooms in CT...if possible try to get one of the mechanics to check it over before you hand over the cash...might cost a small fee...but it will save you loads in the end.

PS.. like with anything else...You Get What You Pay For...
 

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Diesel is great, provided you can justify the extra expense in both buying and servicing it.

It's great getting super low consumption, but that has to be balanced off between the present ridiculous price of diesel over that of petrol, plus the fact that a diesel will need servicing, on average every 10 000 v/s every 15 000 for petrol.

Don't forget the nightmare of sorting out injectors when they go wrong, plus the fact that you will probably end up with a turbo as well, which needs its own set of special care.

If you buy two identical cars, one petrol and one diesel, the diesel will only start "paying for itself" or justifying the extra cost of purchase price (usually 40k extra), plus the extra services, plus the added maintenance costs, after 140 to 160 000km later.

I sell both petrol and diesel, but I tend to qualify my diesel buyers before I let them sail in to a purchase. The petrol is usually the cheaper option for the average buyer, even if it has higher consumption.

This is also not touching on the fact that Euro 4 spec cars HAVE to run on 50 ppm diesel, which is not even available in certain parts of the country like the Eastern Cape. If you want to travel into Africa (Zim or Mozambique) don't even go there. 50 ppm is not available in those countries.

Hope that helps! :)

EDIT: Sorry, I got carried away and forgot the double cab/bakkie bit. DC is great, provided your passengers are happy to be cramped. Single cab obviously means that you won't carry passengers, so the extra load space would be appreciated. Otherwise you could go the best of ALL worlds and buy a Forester! :p
 
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Hey Hey Guys

Thanks for the input thus far.

I think he is leaning towards a double cab, for the two kids and the school run morning thing.

@Fazda - you have just repeated what he has been told about the diesel option. He is fiddling with the finances and will know more or less a price range by month end... so I guess it would be better to know what price range he is focusing on before jumping in with models.

With regards to a Forester... aren't those expensive ? (He asks the salesman who types honest) :) I know that purchase price is not always indicative of value... you do indeed get what you pay for with cars... but are these not in the upper pricing segment of the market ? 2nd hand pricing range ?

It does not have to have bells and whistles and glistening chrome etc... needs to run reliably and not cost a kidney or limb to maintain. Function rather than form.

He was quoted on around R20K for the Citroen fuel pump (it tuned out NOT to be the pump and cost a lot less)... R3K for the Citroen hatch door lock and has paid already a lot for the alternator and starter motor and electrics... it was towed again today, now problems with censors that will not allow the car to be started... a repair quote coming tomorrow.

Thank ye gods he did not buy an Alpha!
 

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@kilobits - unless he needs the "bak" part of the bakkie, a second hand Forester would be a great buy. They are not too expensive either. You can pick up a beautiful 06 2.5 X for about 125 to 130 k. Obviously that might be out of his range, but you then have to remember that buying any second hand bakkie is risky, as 99% of them have very hard lives in the first place.
 

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@kilobits - unless he needs the "bak" part of the bakkie, a second hand Forester would be a great buy. They are not too expensive either. You can pick up a beautiful 06 2.5 X for about 125 to 130 k. Obviously that might be out of his range, but you then have to remember that buying any second hand bakkie is risky, as 99% of them have very hard lives in the first place.

Hey again

I think that is within his range actually... I will chat with him this weekend... will be able to get some idea of what he is thinking. The "bak" I think is very much part of his thinking... surfboards, bikes and dogs.

I was thinking that the primary reason for selling a bakkie is that it is on the virge of becoming expensive to maintain... ala his Citroen... thus a 2nd hand one will come with its own set of risks.

What would demo stuff sell for as apposed to new ? A reasonable price difference ?
 

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Rather check for older bakkies. Look at which one are reliable.
For bakkies, it's isuzu, toyota, nissan, ford mazda.
Ford Rangers are very nice.
My brother recently bought a 1995 Nissan 4x4 bakkie for under R40k. In excellent nick, and those engines last if maintained properly.
 

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Thank ye gods he did not buy an Alpha!

Hey, you can have dependability... go buy a Corolla, or you can have style, passion, performance, art, Passion, beauty, handling, ,, did I mention passion...

but if you drink Ricoffy, you will never understand.:p
 

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Hey, you can have dependability... go buy a Corolla, or you can have style, passion, performance, art, Passion, beauty, handling, ,, did I mention passion...

but if you drink Ricoffy, you will never understand.:p

LOL !

An alpha owner to me is someone with a fantastic espresso machine watching his neighbour enjoy a cup of ricoffy while he waits for the salesperson to quote him on replacing the heating element! At the end of the day... it's only caffeine and hot water... :whistling:
 

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I have had double cabs for quite a while, not because I like the idea, but because it fits my use. To try and get to more comfort and bring the number of vehicles I own down, I've test driven SUVs and came close to buying an Outback (I just could not bring myself to be OK with the looks of the Forester, although it is very capable). Unfortunately there is just no way to make up for the convenience of a bin when you regularly need to load things. If this is on his short list a non truck would get frustrating real soon..I've been there.

I don't think any one brand is so much better than the next, so I would agree with Lestat that you choice of vehicle should in a big way be related to the independent mechanic available close by. My guy is ex Delta, so I keep buying Isuzus because I have faith in him and his ability to keep my truck running. Before I go buy a different brand I would first make sure I can find someone close by who is knowledgeable, trustworthy and likeable.

Buying used does not need to be a problem, he just need to shop around and not buy the first deal that shows up. My truck is lifted, has muddies on, a snorkel and all the breathers have been extended to windscreen level. There is a reason I did that. I would not buy my truck used from myself as it is real clear that it is used as intended. And gets plenty of abuse. But I can take you to a Hilux D/C 4x4 that has never seen dirt...ever. You look in the wheel wells and it is as clean as the day it was bought. When the guy who owns it gets the itch to replace, that will be the truck I would buy (and then abuse):D. So that is the kinda truck he should look for.

I would also agree that if it is not a work truck stick with petrol...it is soooo much less schlep.

R120-R140 can get him into a nice 04/05 ish Isuzu 3.5 V6 / Ford Ranger 4.0 / Mitsu 3.0.
Toyota will put you in the old generation Hilux, which means a 2.7 four....which will make me look at the other trucks rather...but that is just my like/dislike....what do I know...I drive Alfas.:D
 

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At the end of the day... it's only caffeine and hot water... :whistling:

Aaarghhh...no, no, no


.. NEVER....EVER...EVER....



EVER




EVER


is coffee just caffeine and hot water....wait...you had me running there for a second....you're just setting me up..right!!
 

kilobits

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:whistling: pot... kettle... black. :D

Aaarghhh...no, no, no


.. NEVER....EVER...EVER....



EVER




EVER


is coffee just caffeine and hot water....wait...you had me running there for a second....you're just setting me up..right!!

And I will stop referring to them as Alphas from this point on.
 

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As someone who bought a diesel because I was doing high mileage (more than 60 000km a year) and wanted the economy, and even though I love the low down grunt and power delivery, I doubt I'll buy another one. The fuel is more expensive, the servicing is more frequent and expensive, once you're out of warranty and want to use a non-franchised garage for servicing, many won't work on diesels because they don't know them. Even worse are those that don't know diesels but will still take on the work...
 

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EDIT: Sorry, I got carried away and forgot the double cab/bakkie bit. DC is great, provided your passengers are happy to be cramped. Single cab obviously means that you won't carry passengers, so the extra load space would be appreciated. Otherwise you could go the best of ALL worlds and buy a Forester! :p

Nope, not all D/C's are cramped ... ;)

I agree with Fazda though, if he doesn't need the 'bak', a Forester is a great buy.

PS. I still want Scooby to make a D/C :D (I have spoken to the powers that be and it is just a matter of time!)
 

kilobits

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Nope, not all D/C's are cramped ... ;)

I agree with Fazda though, if he doesn't need the 'bak', a Forester is a great buy.

PS. I still want Scooby to make a D/C :D (I have spoken to the powers that be and it is just a matter of time!)

Um... what is a Scooby... and D/C ??

EDIT: D/C = double cab, aaaah.
 
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Jase

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Apologies, I am a bit lazy on the keyboard today.

Scooby = Subaru, D/C = Double Cab

The P.S was aimed at Fazda :)
 
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I have to trade in my Corsa 1.4 bakkie for something bigger because of a few far flung projects I have to get to frequently. Thinking of an Isuzu and cannot bear the thought of buying my first ever diesel vehicle. What are the options on Isuzu petrol models (d/C or Extended cab)? Are isuzu petrol engines Reliable? I saw a KB 250 D/C XLE today which I am very keen on.
Opinions please
Much obliged
 

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Denzil1 where are you- I have a Toyota 3.0 D4D double cab if you are interested.
 
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