3 month internship, or an entry level opportunity into a Dev Company.

Steamy Tom

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I think I understand the problem. It's probably this new skills levy where companies are repaid internship cost by government and they improve their BEE scorecard by training youngsters. Wethinkcode has a goldmine as basically you have these large corporates falling over themselves to take on youngsters for internships but after the internship year the company just claims back the money from the skills levy so thereafter they no longer have an incentive to keep you employed. The lesson here is to try get into smaller companies rather than corporate internships who try game the system.

Wethinkcode keep on selling on TV that hundreds of thousands of free positions are available but when they can't place people who are in the top 2% passing their test, graduated early and got like 2 years work experience then it raises the question is there really such a shortage in the country like the claimed?

What skills did you learn during your internship? If you have 2 years work experience surely that is enough to go to recruiters and not try for endless internships.

If wethinkcode can't place you then you should contact a MyBB journalist to contact wethinkcode about their claim of hundreds of thousands of unfilled dev positions in SA.
there is a shortage of skills yes, not "qualified" applicants. there is also a shortage of people with the right attitude. i have been looking for months for a suitable senior candidate and every CV that comes across my desk the experience/qualifications don't match the ability displayed in testing.

there are countless other issues also, such as job hoppers that raise their salaries through this method beyond their ability and then essentially for the most part become unemployable.
 
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there is a shortage of skills yes, not "qualified" applicants. there is also a shortage of people with the right attitude. i have been looking for months for a suitable senior candidate and every CV that comes across my desk the experience/qualifications don't match the ability displayed in testing.

there are countless other issues also, such as job hoppers that raise their salaries through this method beyond their ability and then essentially for the most part become unemployable.
Well at WeThinkCode I met many wonderful people, people who I believe already are senior developers... Now you might laugh and think, "this guy must be joking". But if you had the opportunity to see what I've seen. It's profound!.. Referring to your previous question about what we've learned over the 2 years: well we do individual projects as well as group projects, we do testing and software quality analysis on our work, we document, we explain and defend our concepts to our evaluators.. We're well adjusted to the scrum methodology.. We have daily stand ups in our groups when doing group projects, and quite often present our work to an audience.. We built a community where we help and teach eachother, host workshops for those who may be falling behind.. We manage projects in groups of people with culturally diverse backgrounds.. Since I've been there I've learned C, C++, Java, javascript, php, mysql, sql, html/css, Unix, kernal, swift/iOS, and now recently C# & .NET.. Other student went on to do malware, networking & security, ocamel, math, Dev Ops and many others.. In January we had our social tech presentation where we had to create a solution for a cleaning company called twin cities.. Myself and a fellow student created an inventory management system which is a web application that tracks inventory, spending, and issuing off equipment. It was also able to make orders and track its delivery of products... We then implemented a chatbot that would be doing all of these things for the e. Ployees via cellphone.. The admin was also able to communicate with staff by temporarily disabling the chatbot and sending personal text messages.. Over this 2 years the students may have spent over 10 000 hours of programming and accumulating experience . Though they're all junior developers, I believe they're all senior developer
 

skimread

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Well at WeThinkCode I met many wonderful people, people who I believe already are senior developers... Now you might laugh and think, "this guy must be joking". But if you had the opportunity to see what I've seen. It's profound!.. Referring to your previous question about what we've learned over the 2 years: well we do individual projects as well as group projects, we do testing and software quality analysis on our work, we document, we explain and defend our concepts to our evaluators.. We're well adjusted to the scrum methodology.. We have daily stand ups in our groups when doing group projects, and quite often present our work to an audience.. We built a community where we help and teach eachother, host workshops for those who may be falling behind.. We manage projects in groups of people with culturally diverse backgrounds.. Since I've been there I've learned C, C++, Java, javascript, php, mysql, sql, html/css, Unix, kernal, swift/iOS, and now recently C# & .NET.. Other student went on to do malware, networking & security, ocamel, math, Dev Ops and many others.. In January we had our social tech presentation where we had to create a solution for a cleaning company called twin cities.. Myself and a fellow student created an inventory management system which is a web application that tracks inventory, spending, and issuing off equipment. It was also able to make orders and track its delivery of products... We then implemented a chatbot that would be doing all of these things for the e. Ployees via cellphone.. The admin was also able to communicate with staff by temporarily disabling the chatbot and sending personal text messages.. Over this 2 years the students may have spent over 10 000 hours of programming and accumulating experience . Though they're all junior developers, I believe they're all senior developer
Yes you guys work your arses off and you are the top 2% of those who did the tests.

You guys are very strong in entrepreneurship. Why not create a startup while you wait for placement? I don't think your contract allow you to eliminate wethinkcode for getting commission so you have not choice but to wait for them.
 

Steamy Tom

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Well at WeThinkCode I met many wonderful people, people who I believe already are senior developers... Now you might laugh and think, "this guy must be joking". But if you had the opportunity to see what I've seen. It's profound!.. Referring to your previous question about what we've learned over the 2 years: well we do individual projects as well as group projects, we do testing and software quality analysis on our work, we document, we explain and defend our concepts to our evaluators.. We're well adjusted to the scrum methodology.. We have daily stand ups in our groups when doing group projects, and quite often present our work to an audience.. We built a community where we help and teach eachother, host workshops for those who may be falling behind.. We manage projects in groups of people with culturally diverse backgrounds.. Since I've been there I've learned C, C++, Java, javascript, php, mysql, sql, html/css, Unix, kernal, swift/iOS, and now recently C# & .NET.. Other student went on to do malware, networking & security, ocamel, math, Dev Ops and many others.. In January we had our social tech presentation where we had to create a solution for a cleaning company called twin cities.. Myself and a fellow student created an inventory management system which is a web application that tracks inventory, spending, and issuing off equipment. It was also able to make orders and track its delivery of products... We then implemented a chatbot that would be doing all of these things for the e. Ployees via cellphone.. The admin was also able to communicate with staff by temporarily disabling the chatbot and sending personal text messages.. Over this 2 years the students may have spent over 10 000 hours of programming and accumulating experience . Though they're all junior developers, I believe they're all senior developer
I didn't ask but thanks, for the record i am very familiar with we think code graduates and personally i would prefer them over regular graduates, having said this though, whilst many of the guys can be very good i would be very careful to claim they are on the level of a real senior developer, i'm not talking seniority from a time perspective but from a practical view point.
 

Urist

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Preliminary congrats on your qualification, looks like you came to the right place afterwards. I`ll suggest making some friends here.
 

krycor

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I always find these code camps problematic.. but I guess that’s the way the industry wants it to go.
 

krycor

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there is a shortage of skills yes, not "qualified" applicants. there is also a shortage of people with the right attitude. i have been looking for months for a suitable senior candidate and every CV that comes across my desk the experience/qualifications don't match the ability displayed in testing.

there are countless other issues also, such as job hoppers that raise their salaries through this method beyond their ability and then essentially for the most part become unemployable.
Depends on how you are testing?
 

Steamy Tom

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Depends on how you are testing?
Not really, our testing is based on what we require, I get what you allude to, but it is by no means difficult for someone with relevant experience that meets the requirements.

At the same time please don't get me wrong, I will be the first to say I prefer an applicant with a good attitude over one with heaps of experience that can just pass some testing.
 

Johnatan56

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Well at WeThinkCode I met many wonderful people, people who I believe already are senior developers... Now you might laugh and think, "this guy must be joking". But if you had the opportunity to see what I've seen. It's profound!.. Referring to your previous question about what we've learned over the 2 years: well we do individual projects as well as group projects, we do testing and software quality analysis on our work, we document, we explain and defend our concepts to our evaluators.. We're well adjusted to the scrum methodology.. We have daily stand ups in our groups when doing group projects, and quite often present our work to an audience.. We built a community where we help and teach eachother, host workshops for those who may be falling behind.. We manage projects in groups of people with culturally diverse backgrounds.. Since I've been there I've learned C, C++, Java, javascript, php, mysql, sql, html/css, Unix, kernal, swift/iOS, and now recently C# & .NET.. Other student went on to do malware, networking & security, ocamel, math, Dev Ops and many others.. In January we had our social tech presentation where we had to create a solution for a cleaning company called twin cities.. Myself and a fellow student created an inventory management system which is a web application that tracks inventory, spending, and issuing off equipment. It was also able to make orders and track its delivery of products... We then implemented a chatbot that would be doing all of these things for the e. Ployees via cellphone.. The admin was also able to communicate with staff by temporarily disabling the chatbot and sending personal text messages.. Over this 2 years the students may have spent over 10 000 hours of programming and accumulating experience . Though they're all junior developers, I believe they're all senior developer
10000 / 730 = 13.69 hr/day.

I think you need to take a break...

Good luck with your final internship.
 

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Well at WeThinkCode I met many wonderful people, people who I believe already are senior developers... Now you might laugh and think, "this guy must be joking". But if you had the opportunity to see what I've seen. It's profound!..
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Though they're all junior developers, I believe they're all senior developer
You are at the “I don’t know what I don’t know stage of your career”. I definitely like your enthusiasm, but I would caution against assuming things like the above.
 

Faziki

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Hey Keegan,

I think you have the right mindset but as everyone said don't assume because like they say it makes an ass out of me and you :p

I have met some 'god worthy' coders that can do a range of things and some slacky wacky coders that have the same experience as the 'god worthy' ones but they only do a 3rd of the work. Sometimes you do get people that are extraordinary from the start of their career but there's always and I say this again always something new that another developer can teach you. Trick here, a debug issue here and sometimes better ways to do certain things.

The thing that I have noticed is what separates a good coder from a bad one is the inability to learn and challenge themselves to become better at what they do, and that is the death of most coders.



If you are looking for a remote job have you tried looking at the following websites?

https://www.glassdoor.com
https://workaline.com
https://www.indeed.com
https://weworkremotely.com/

And if you interested in relocating

https://relocate.me/

There are a few slack groups, google around and join a few, some of them have a job chat that they post new positions in.

https://weworkremotely.com/
https://devchat.devolio.net/

I also saw these guys have some positions available

https://x-team.com/


Good luck on your job hunting ventures and all the best :)


'May the odds be forever in your favor'


Kind Regards,
Faz
 
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Hey Keegan,

I think you have the right mindset but as everyone said don't assume because like they say it makes an ass out of me and you :p

I have met some 'god worthy' coders that can do a range of things and some slacky wacky coders that have the same experience as the 'god worthy' ones but they only do a 3rd of the work. Sometimes you do get people that are extraordinary from the start of their career but there's always and I say this again always something new that another developer can teach you. Trick here, a debug issue here and sometimes better ways to do certain things.

The thing that I have noticed is what separates a good coder from a bad one is the inability to learn and challenge themselves to become better at what they do, and that is the death of most coders.



If you are looking for a remote job have you tried looking at the following websites?

https://www.glassdoor.com
https://workaline.com
https://www.indeed.com
https://weworkremotely.com/

And if you interested in relocating

https://relocate.me/

There are a few slack groups, google around and join a few, some of them have a job chat that they post new positions in.

https://weworkremotely.com/
https://devchat.devolio.net/

I also saw these guys have some positions available

https://x-team.com/


Good luck on your job hunting ventures and all the best :)


'May the odds be forever in your favor'


Kind Regards,
Faz
Thanks I appreciate the help.
My internship at EOH ends this month, and the information your provided will come in handy.. So, thank you!!
 
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