4 Ever on, What do you guys make of this?

[Drifter]

http://www.4ever-on.net/



Tired of Load Shedding and Power Cuts?

Tired of defrosted food and warm drinks?

Tired of the dark with no TV or Lights?

Tired of sending employees home?

We have the solution !
R 7999-00

Incl VAT and delivery to your door country-wide

We accept these major credit/debit cards



Buy 4Ever-On's Power-in-a-Box and receive this amazing solution which uses batteries to provide you with clean, silent power, for 4 hours or more.

Connect TVs, DSTV, Lights, Modern Fridges/Freezers, Computers, Laptops, Chargers and many other appliances to the device and when the power goes off, it will continue to provide electricity without interruption for hours.

When the power returns, it will automatically recharge the batteries for as little as R5.00, ready for the next load shedding session.

4Ever-On's Power-in-a-Box has many benefits:
It is silent, clean energy and you can keep it indoors.
It requires no maintenance or expensive fuels.
It is activated automatically, requiring no human intervention.
It is inexpensive to use and comes complete with a full warranty.


For more info
Visit our web page : www.4ever-on.net
Mail us : support@4ever-on.net




Specifications
Capacity: 2400VA

~2.1 kWh in total

~1.4 kW max output

2 x 105AH 710A Deep Cycle Batteries in series 24V DC

20A Charger

Efficiency DC to AC 95%

Input: 220V

Output: 2 X 220-240V 3-Pin Sockets producing a max of 1.4KW.
Modified Sine Wave

Weight: 65 Kg

Noise: < 55 dBA

Operating Temp: 0C to 40C

 

[bchip]

The diagram is hysterical...Im really glad someone drew me a picture of
what happens with loadshedding, I never really understood that my lights go off, with pictures now I do!

 

[The_MAC]

I'm a bit doubtful about the info that is shown on the website in terms of how long the system can run.

I have done extensive research recently when building the exact same system for myself.

I can almost guarantee you that the calculations are done without taking the depth-of-discharge (DOD) into account i.e. you are running the batteries flat and effectively killing them.

That's why I opted for a 12V system, so rather have my 2 batteries in parallel giving me a comfortable run-time of 4 hours without even getting close to 50% DOD. The batteries life-span will be 2-3 times longer than the way this system is connected.

Lastly, I see the system is using Excis batteries, sorry to say but those are really poor quality batteries.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I can guarantee you that at R7999 you can build a much better system yourself.

Just did their little calculation, they reckon their box will last me around 1.3 hours... and that is me running pretty much EVERYTHING in my house.. 40 lights, 3 PCs, 2 TVs, 2 Decoders, the fridge...

I can be pretty damn sure that if I did that, I'd be lucky to get 30 minutes out of the box.

 

[Xino_sam]

Is there a difference between the Ellies setup available at Makro & Builders Warehouse?

 

[The_MAC]

I can guarantee you that at R7999 you can build a much better system yourself.

Just did their little calculation, they reckon their box will last me around 1.3 hours... and that is me running pretty much EVERYTHING in my house.. 40 lights, 3 PCs, 2 TVs, 2 Decoders, the fridge...

I can be pretty damn sure that if I did that, I'd be lucky to get 30 minutes out of the box.

For sure, I have built one using better components for around R6000. But this is for the lazy non-DIY type person, which there are many of.

 

[The_MAC]

Is there a difference between the Ellies setup available at Makro & Builders Warehouse?

From what I can tell, no. They use the same batteries and that Inverter looks like a Chinese copy.

 

[mmacleod]

They will probably make a fair amount of money selling people - who can barely afford it - something that won't even last them a year and will break half their devices.
People will probably claim the broken devices from insurance/warranty - which the manufacturers/retailers/insurance will recuperate by even further increasing the already obscene amounts they charge us for things, and so the sad cycle of life continues.

 

[Sneeky]

I am looking for a solution like this.
It really just needs to power the 55: flat screen + dstv or pc and router for a 2-4 hours max.

Some indicate you can build your own better for less, details please.

Why would this break your devices, details please.

 

[mmacleod]

I am looking for a solution like this. Why would this break your devices, details please.

The inverter is modified sine wave, not pure sine wave, it is not suitable for computers or other sensitive electronics and over time it will break things. The people selling this device of course either don't know or don't care.

 

[The_Traveller]

From what I can tell, no. They use the same batteries and that Inverter looks like a Chinese copy.

Rofl, they all are from China.

 

[Goliath]

I can guarantee you that at R7999 you can build a much better system yourself.

Just did their little calculation, they reckon their box will last me around 1.3 hours... and that is me running pretty much EVERYTHING in my house.. 40 lights, 3 PCs, 2 TVs, 2 Decoders, the fridge...

I can be pretty damn sure that if I did that, I'd be lucky to get 30 minutes out of the box.

I agree, their calc doesn't seem right.. I'll give it a pass but great idea though

 

[desiganp]

Some indicate you can build your own better for less, details please. Why would this break your devices, details please.

You could get a similar device cheaper at Makro/Game (Ellies model) - it should come with 2 x deep cycle batteries as well.

These devices are modified sine wave (your household power is pure sine wave), which is why some people say they can break your devices. Most devices should be able to operate off modified sine wave except anything that has a motor in them e.g. fridges/freezers/aircons/fans etc, that can be damaged over time.

 

[savage]

Anything in a tupperware container, should be avoided. Really now...

Would you buy a 10KVA UPS/Generator, when it comes in a plastic container?!?!?!

Creation Date: 2015-03-23T07:31:10Z

Domain registered just a tad over 3 months ago... Fly by night operator.

 

[ProAsm]

That Inverter looks like a Mecer Inverter to me.

This is the system I installed myself about a year ago.
I chose the 12 volt system for various reasons.
The system was designed to operate our 55 inch Hisense Smart TV, DSTV SD-PVR and about 4 lights.
I ran the cable trough the ceiling with droppers to the various points.

1 x Exide 102 AH Silver Calcium Battery from Battery Center - R1350
1 x Noco Genius G7200 Intelligent Battery Charger from Battery Center - R1799
1 x 300 Watt Ellies Inverter from Makro - R499
30 Meters 3 core cable (10a) from Buildit - R180
6 Lamp fittings from Buildit - R240
6 Pull switches from Buildit - R100
6 x 11 watt Energy saving globes (do not like Led) from Makro - R100
2 Plug points from Buildit - R100

On a maximum test the battery lasts for 3.5 hours before the Inverter switches off at 10.5 volts.
I will be adding an extra battery soon as we are now having 4 hour breaks.

 

[desiganp]

1 x Noco Genius G7200 Intelligent Battery Charger from Battery Center - R1799

Why did you buy such an expensive charger?

 

[The_MAC]

Anything in a tupperware container, should be avoided. Really now...

Would you buy a 10KVA UPS/Generator, when it comes in a plastic container?!?!?!

Creation Date: 2015-03-23T07:31:10Z

Domain registered just a tad over 3 months ago... Fly by night operator.

In terms of the Tupperware, my system is inside a Big-Jim box, reason: there are no metal contacts so no "earthing" issues and it was cheap, so there is no problem using a plastic container.

In terms of the "fly-by-night". I actually thought of doing something like this after making my own and subsequently many friends/family asked me to make them the same one, so that's how they probably also started. The reason why I didn't pursue this is that I was unable to offer any guarantees/warranties and seeing that this is a fire risk, I didn't want any liability..

 

[savage]

In terms of the "fly-by-night". I actually thought of doing something like this after making my own and subsequently many friends/family asked me to make them the same one, so that's how they probably also started. The reason why I didn't pursue this is that I was unable to offer any guarantees/warranties and seeing that this is a fire risk, I didn't want any liability..

And that is exactly why the industry is in the state that it is in... Every second tom, d1ck, and harry thinking that they're a qualified electrician... shrugs. Tomorrow, these guys start fiddling in DB boards, and gets electrocuted, or burn down houses yes...

 

[ProAsm]

Why did you buy such an expensive charger?

Almost all Intelligent chargers are in that region.
Only an Intelligent charger can charge a Silver Calcium battery correctly as it requires a 14.8 volt charge as against a Lead Acid battery which requires a 14.4 volt charge.
It also offers a Maintenance charge of 16 volts to recycle the battery once a year or so.
Lead acid batteries only last about 3 years, where if properly charged as Silver Calcium can last up to 10 to 15 years.
I have a 65 ah Silver Calcium here which I use to start my Generator and its in it's 13th year now
You use an elcheapo lead acid charger on one of these batteries and it will die within 3 years, been there

 

[mmacleod]

And that is exactly why the industry is in the state that it is in... Every second tom, d1ck, and harry thinking that they're a qualified electrician... shrugs. Tomorrow, these guys start fiddling in DB boards, and gets electrocuted, or burn down houses yes...

Well if we are going to point fingers we could just as easily blame the established 'qualified' players for over charging, having a reputation for not being that great themselves, not marketing reasonable solutions, not pulling in enough new qualified people and in general resting on their laurels and allowing a giant void in which 'every second tom dick and harry' can operate.