4 x Deloitte Employees in Fatal Plane Crash

[gboy]

with aircraft, it does not matter how old it is.

if the airframe time is low, the engines are low time, since major overhaul they are still good. unlike a car.

Take a look at any Saflyer mag and see aircraft for sale from 1965.

 

[SmellyCelly]

i am very close to one of the victims family, they are incredible people, and its tragic what happened to lesley she was getting married soon its really sad..

 

[TheHiveMind]

I've flown in a 4 seater plane. The runway led off a cliff, and ofcourse, the pilot did that whole omfg we lost the engines, shes going down lol he did a nose dive without engines lol I was a little scared, even tho I knew he was kidding. Was just glad to hear the engines start up again when the joke was over.

 

[gboy]

wow best i did was i auto rotaion in a eurocopter, was part of a demonstration run. pretty cool, but scary as well

 

[TheREV]

Nah. Scary is practising spins.

 

[eitai2001]

Terrible tragedy and my thoughts with all involved but I need to ask why a multinational company would (and apparantly this was not a charter flight ) even consider using an aircraft that's over 30 years old (1976) for employees when most other companies would have used a more suitable charter aircraft considering the loads involved. I hope the CAA will find the answers soon.

Do you know that the 747 Jumbo's are planes from the 70's as well? Many planes in use today were bought in the 70's ... including large airliners.

Lebombo was the first 747 SAA bought (I think), and it only retired about 5 or 6 years ago.

 

[eitai2001]

Can the guys saying it's saver to fly than it is to drive just get the fk out of this thread ?

No one said it's not. The fact that 5 fatal accidents have happened in the last 2 weeks vs 2 crashes a year is a fk'ng problem... or am I missing something

It is safer to fly then to drive. The last 2 weeks, have just been a really *** coincidence. And many of them shouldn't have happened. Such as the rand one. Had he used Runway 29, they probably would've been safe even in the event of an emergency landing. It is the building site of the raceway that killed them. There are many more relative road accidents a year compared to plane accidents. And many plane accidents are also not fatal.

By the way, this plane had a twin-turbo (or maybe supercharger??) ... it was fitted with an approved mod a few years ago.

 

[Hosehead]

Do you know that the 747 Jumbo's are planes from the 70's as well? Many planes in use today were bought in the 70's ... including large airliners.

Lebombo was the first 747 SAA bought (I think), and it only retired about 5 or 6 years ago.

Point taken but you won't likely see any mainstream commercial airlines flying relics from the 1970's today.
And if you do see them they are either third world carriers or third world low cost carriers or Freighters.

Personally, You could not talk me aboard an ancient General Aviation ( FAR Part 23) aircraft which has been chartered with every seat taken. Not in this country.

 

[koffiejunkie]

Lebombo was the first 747 SAA bought (I think), and it only retired about 5 or 6 years ago.

Point taken but you won't likely see any mainstream commercial airlines flying relics from the 1970's today.

And that has more to do with their economic viability, emissions, etc, than airworthiness.

 

[eitai2001]

Point taken but you won't likely see any mainstream commercial airlines flying relics from the 1970's today.
And if you do see them they are either third world carriers or third world low cost carriers or Freighters.

Personally, You could not talk me aboard an ancient General Aviation ( FAR Part 23) aircraft which has been chartered with every seat taken. Not in this country.

Last year november I flew in a Globe Swift ... a 2 seater plane built in 1948 ... flew like a charm. Its not like a car where everything breaks down. You get your engine overhauled in a plane, or buy a new engine. Most of the surfaces work on control lines, so you replace those ... its not cheap to overhaul a plane, but they go on for years.

 

[Hosehead]

Last year november I flew in a Globe Swift ... a 2 seater plane built in 1948 ... flew like a charm. Its not like a car where everything breaks down. You get your engine overhauled in a plane, or buy a new engine. Most of the surfaces work on control lines, so you replace those ... its not cheap to overhaul a plane, but they go on for years.

Vintage planes are great for tooling around in and, yes, a whole bunch of fun.
What is not fun is when a huge multinational company that has the money to spend, mind, opts, instead of chartering a modern, low hour and powerful aircraft- to send employees on a old FAR Part 23 aircraft in hot, high and heavy conditions with a very low hour pilot. That's what is disturbing.

 

[eitai2001]

Vintage planes are great for tooling around in and, yes, a whole bunch of fun.
What is not fun is when a huge multinational company that has the money to spend, mind, opts, instead of chartering a modern, low hour and powerful aircraft- to send employees on a old FAR Part 23 aircraft in hot, high and heavy conditions with a very low hour pilot. That's what is disturbing.

I don't think the plane was chartered. I think it belonged to one of the seniors from the company being audited. There were 6 people on board ... 4 from deloitte, and 2 from the other company ... no one mentioned a hired pilot. And those planes are usually quite safe. Go read Avcom ... there are big problems with Runway 35.

 

[kilos]

The month of October has been called "Black October" due to all the aviation accidents. Watch Tomorrows nights Carte Blanche (1 Feb 2009 @19h00 on Mnet) it is going to be abit of any eye opener whats gets uncovered.

Transcript and comments
http://www.mnet.co.za/Mnet/Shows/carteblanche/story.asp?Id=3631

 

[noxibox]

Its not like a car where everything breaks down. You get your engine overhauled in a plane, or buy a new engine. Most of the surfaces work on control lines, so you replace those ... its not cheap to overhaul a plane, but they go on for years.

The only reason not to do the same with a car is the cost relative to purchasing a replacement car.

 

[koffiejunkie]

The only reason not to do the same with a car is the cost relative to purchasing a replacement car.

Availability probably plays an even bigger role. Time from order to delivery of passenger aircraft is measured in years.

 

[Flanders]

Vintage planes are great for tooling around in and, yes, a whole bunch of fun.
What is not fun is when a huge multinational company that has the money to spend, mind, opts, instead of chartering a modern, low hour and powerful aircraft- to send employees on a old FAR Part 23 aircraft in hot, high and heavy conditions with a very low hour pilot. That's what is disturbing.

If you've flown on BA (comair), Kulula, 1Time or Nationwide, chances are you've flown in a relic from the 60s-70s. Only SAA and Mango (SAA) have relatively modern aircraft for domestic flights. The 737-200 series is something of a relic and is still operated by Kulula and BA locally and by many international carriers and is still considered a very safe aeroplane. 1Time uses the old MD-80/82 and if you watch the black smoke trailing from those noisy beasts, you'll notice that it too comes from a time when pollution wasn't a big worry in the world.

Back to Carte Blanche: All I can say is that I'm sure RFA is doomed. The final nail in the coffin was the aircraft inspection. Shocking stuff.

 

[Sneeky]

gets a ppl and hasn't gone solo yet?????

beautiful.