5,000 US troops deploying to southern border in response to migrant caravan

NarrowBandFtw

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Source: Migrants traveling to US sue Trump, government; claim violation of constitutional rights
A dozen migrants traveling by foot from Honduras to the U.S. to seek asylum filed a class-action lawsuit Thursday against President Trump, the Department of Homeland Security and others, claiming a violation of their due process under the Fifth Amendment.

Poor migrants have no money to live from or buy a flight ticket ... but they have enough money for frivolous litigation ... sure ... S-U-R-E
 

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That's a whole lot of beta-cuck projection crammed into one sentence. Well done!
Thanks.

I am married, to a beautiful person.

I'm not paricularly convinced that she thinks I am a "beta-cuck" but I do know what her opinion of those who resort to such childish insults is.

Sorry, NBFTW.
 

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Borders and fences.... useful for fencing off animals you don't like... like other populations of humans with tendencies for extreme behaviour..
 

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"most people" then are blind to what it means in the long run, if only they paid attention to the rapefugee crises over in Europe they might not be so quick to support the same thing in their own country

Hey what happened to your wikipedia posts? I kind of wanted to get back to those for a read.

Edit: The one about race theory etc. Pls source or inbox me it.
 

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Increasing nationalism doesn't make countries great. It makes them isolated, stagnant, and xenophobic.

And, increasing Socialism makes them poo. On the other hand maintaining a healthy level of nationalism makes countries fccking awesome.



When did I ever do that?

What? Sidestepped a question or called someone a literal Nazi for being a nationalist? Repeatedly since I asked the question to the former and that's the question you've been repeatedly sidestepping to the latter.
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A civilized country does not need to deploy the maximum use of force to quell protests. Am curious, do you think that incidents like the Tianamen square massacre and Sharpville where justifiable reactions from the governments in those cases? Do you think that is how Western democracies should behave against mass action?
That's obviously nonsense. It would depend entirely on how much violence was being perpetrated by the protestors. Riot police aren't rock proof and molotov cocktail proof. The appropriate amount of violence to respond with should always be more lethal than what you are confronted with. Or are you supposed to offer aggressors a fair fight?
 

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Increasing nationalism doesn't make countries great. It makes them isolated, stagnant, and xenophobic.
Sure, explain to us all how the fiercely proud and nationalistic or patriotic Brits' empire really was not great. Or how about the once patriotic USA's empire and its current multicultural decline. Hey, convince us how those proudly patriotic/nationalist Chinese won't ever be a great nation. And are you an anti-semite? You got a problem with the Jewish State of Israel and its patriotism?

I think you might have a harder time convincing people that multiculturalism isn't pure cancer to a thriving and strong nation. Good luck.
 

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Hey what happened to your wikipedia posts? I kind of wanted to get back to those for a read.

Edit: The one about race theory etc. Pls source or inbox me it.
You sure it was me? Did I link wikipedia as proof of the well documented rapefugee infestation of Europe?
Honestly does not ring a bell :unsure:
 

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That's obviously nonsense. It would depend entirely on how much violence was being perpetrated by the protestors. Riot police aren't rock proof and molotov cocktail proof. The appropriate amount of violence to respond with should always be more lethal than what you are confronted with. Or are you supposed to offer aggressors a fair fight?
Obviously Nonsense?! - did you even bother to read what I wrote?

I used the term "need" for a reason, a civilized country will deploy the minimum amount of force needed to contain the situation and not inflict excessive casualties. If you feel otherwise perhaps you could point to any Western democracy that deploys live fire against rock throwing protestors as a first point of deterrence. Your fascist heart might think that any threat of harm to law enforcement should result in a bullet to the head but thankfully most western countries don't subscribe to that....

Why is it people on the right are so quick to moan about communist countries and their associated evils but the first whiff of a mass action with a hint of violence and you guys advocate for the most jack booted response this side of Tiananmen square..?
 
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I'll look at it but I'm not sure why you aren't showing the least bit of skepticism at what's clearly a smear job.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/jacob-wohl-jack-burkman-robert-mueller-smear.html

It immediately fell apart as yet another example of O'Keefe selectively editing footage and lying about it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/11/02/beto-orourke-campaign-responds-project-veritas-video/

They're just making trumps point on how dumb their immigration laws are.... being sued by non-citizens for wanting them to follow due process and enter the country legally

That's literally what they are doing. They're heading to a port of entry.

Baffling how you guys can buy into this absurd idea that they're "storming the border" when it's literally bedraggled families walking slowly and are still a 1000 miles away.

Obviously Nonsense?! - did you even bother to read what I wrote?

I used the term "need" for a reason, a civilized country will deploy the minimum amount of force needed to contain the situation and not inflict excessive casualties. If you feel otherwise perhaps you could point to any Western democracy that deploys live fire against rock throwing protestors as a first point of deterrence. Your fascist heart might think that any threat of harm to law enforcement should result in a bullet to the head but thankfully most western countries don't subscribe to that....

Why is it people on the right are so quick to moan about communist countries and their associated evils but the first whiff of a mass action with a hint of violence and you guys advocate for the most jack booted response this side of Tiananmen square..?

Because nothing projects strength and MAGA like being deathly afraid and whipping people into a panic over Honduran children. :)
 

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I don't care about the difference...

Yes, you have a very strange hostility to evidence, instead relying on bizarre phantom threats.

Nick333 said:
What alleged offences? I'm not Trump, son, I'm not arguing that illegal immigrants commit crime (although of course they do) I'm arguing that permanently taking on other countries economic problems is ultimately bad for countries and that if you don't address it (or worse, pretend it's a good thing) illegal immigration will get worse.

And yet, in reality:

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And also, what economic problem are you talking about? Illegal immigrants have a higher labour force participation rate than native-born Americans, and earn roughly the same. They commit crime at half the rate, and pay taxes into numerous social programmes without ever being able to claim it. Not to mention the industries that would grind to a halt without these workers.

Meanwhile, we also know what causes increases in migration (besides large scale violence and upheaval) - worsening economic conditions. Strengthening Central American (and Mexican) economies help reduce illegal immigration. NAFTA played a role in the decrease since 2005, and not starting stupid new trade wars would also help!

And important to mention that most illegal immigrants don't jump the border, they overstay their lawful visas. The ball for reforming the immigration system itself has been in the GOP's court for at least a decade. They refuse to do anything about it.
 

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Obviously Nonsense?! - did you even bother to read what I wrote?

I used the term "need" for a reason, a civilized country will deploy the minimum amount of force needed to contain the situation and not inflict excessive casualties. If you feel otherwise perhaps you could point to any Western democracy that deploys live fire against rock throwing protestors as a first point of deterrence. Your fascist heart might think that any threat of harm to law enforcement should result in a bullet to the head but thankfully most western countries don't subscribe to that....

Why is it people on the right are so quick to moan about communist countries and their associated evils but the first whiff of a mass action with a hint of violence and you guys advocate for the most jack booted response this side of Tiananmen square..?

Well said. Trump even backed down from his statements:

“[The military] won’t have to fire. What I don’t want is these people throwing rocks .... What they did to the Mexican military is a disgrace. They hit them with rocks. Some were very seriously injured, and they were throwing rocks in their face.”

“They do that with us, they’re going to be arrested, there are going to be problems. I didn’t say shoot. I didn’t say shoot. But they do that with us, they are going to be arrested for a long time,” Trump said Friday.

Of course he's lying about not saying shoot.

"They want to throw rocks at our military, our military fights back," the president told reporters. "I told them to consider it a rifle. When they throw rocks like what they did to the Mexican military and police I say consider it a rifle.
 

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Baffling how you guys can buy into this absurd idea that they're "storming the border" when it's literally bedraggled families walking slowly and are still a 1000 miles away.

It's because all they can do is parrot the talking points of right wing media. A couple of months ago my dad called me in a flat panic over the white genocide in SA literally begging us to get out.

The migrant caravan:

 
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