512k upstream for R100 a month unlimited bandwidth

John

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I have created a website that contains this entire thread
in summary form with links and how the whole setup will cost
you R1400 for a Linksys Access Point
http://sawireless.tripod.com/

Register at yahoo groups with the aim of pooling money together
to import Linksys wireless gear in bulk. www.arrowaltech.co.za
might be able to help us.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sawireless
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Wireless deployment in South-Africa.

Use the word 'wireless' in subject heading or your e-mail to me will bounce. sawireless2000@yahoo.com

Share an ADSL connection via wi-fi.
A 50km point-to-point link between Waterkloof and Sandton for
R150 000
Neighberhood perimeter street monitoring using www.locustworld.com meshboxes with firewire CCD cameras, infra-red spotlight for long distance nightvision and opensource http://oap.sourceforge.net Linux software for advanced intruder motion detection. www.intrancesoftworks.com is used for a Windows based street perimeter monitoring solution.
Why the new 802.16 Wi-Fi standard will make ICASA irrelevant.
Wireless meshes will replace Telco's http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.10/wireless.html



"Ons vlerkies is geknip wat betref wireless..." Andries Matthysen - ICASA 18 February 2004 , direct communication to me

50km backbone link
The cost to individual users to connect to the 50km Sandton-Waterkloof backbone at each respective node, is listed in the table below: Equipment Price Vendor1 Vendor2
Linksys WAP54G Access Point R700 www.buy.com 2
Vagi Antenna 14dBi R300 www.fab-corp.com
http://www.wisp-router.com/index.php?cPath=43
www.poynting.co.za www.cantenna.com
Weatherproof box R100 Mica Hdware store
20 meter ethernet cable R60 Pc outlet
N-Male to RPTNC Cable length/type: 18" LMR 100 R140 http://www.cantenna.com/catalogue/PG01.html www.cantenna.com
Antenna mast R100 Hardware store

Total R1400


An example of a p-t-p link: http://www.d128.com/wireless

A point-to-point link over 50km from Sandton to Waterkloof can be created, using various antenna designs such as yagi, parabolic and vagi.The most used is the Parabolic obtainable from www.poynting.co.za and www.fab-corp.com With a beamwidth of 8 degrees an Icasa approved D-link Access point (100mw) can transmit a signal over 21km. It is a directional beam so there is no interference to other transmitters.

The cost of a base station or node is R7500 if installed on a roof. A Waterkloof - Sandton backbone link could cost anywhere between R75 000 and R150 000 depending on the number of LOS issues. The repeater node cost is shared by the local users at that node. The cost of a highsite R7500 is shared by the users at that node. So for 50 users each would have to pay R150 to get a highsite up and running. Hundreds of users can be connected to each backbone node. The participants in each initial node can become a mini-ISP and sell internet bandwidth to their neighbours.

If only 200 users participate to establish this 50km backbone, it would cost each a measly R750 plus the additional R1400 for the Access Point on his own house. This is an opensource initiative, but nothing forbids the node owners from making money out of it.

Such a point-to-point link is known as the wireless backbone. The 802.11b local meshnetworks connect to this backbone. The backbone terminates in a www.is.co.za peering point.

With direct line of sight (LOS) only two tower-setups are needed. If there is no direct line of sight(LOS) one or mulitple repeater stations are installed. The 802.11g (2.4ghz band) or 802.11a (5.8ghz band) are used for the p-t-p link. 802.11g provides effective bandwidth of 22meg as does 802.11a. 802.11a's antenna's and AP are a bit more expensive. Two netgear 802.11a AP's can be combined to create an effective bandwidth of 50meg on a p-t-p link.

This 50km link would need at least 20 hops or base-stations with Access Point and repeater gear on each. A node station has a repeater(back-to-back antenna) and an Access Point along the 50km route. Each meshnetwork/council connects to the basestation closest to them.

Selection for the base station gear is between boxed AP like www.d-link.co.za, Linksys , Trendnet or Netgear. The other option is to use www.locustworld.com meshboxes. The meshbox motherboard must be at least Pentium III to deal with video compression. Taiwan's VIA technologies www.via.com.tw mini-ITX motherboards are popular with www.locustworld.com and usually deployed to form a local mesh of interconnecting nodes. The Senao 200mw PCI wi-fi cards are popular with locustworld. You can view them at www.ultramesh.com Help with installing free Linux locustworld software can be obtained from the Tuks Linux users group and many other.

Let's deal with the www.locustworld.com first. It is the most efficient solution. Every hop on the 50km backbone needs a repeater. To create a repeater you place two Locustworld meshboxes back to back. Each box has a parabolic antenna. The signal is received by the first parabolic and relayed to the meshbox besides it via cat5 ethernet cable. The second box sends this signal to the next node with each node/hop repeating the signal. Or a single motherboard with two PCI slots can be used on each basestation/hop. Each slot of the motherboard takes a PCI-wi-fi adapter card. A parabolic is connected to each wi-fi card with LM-400 microwave cable. The parabolics are mounted back-to-back.

On the multi-hop p-t-p link only the PC's at Waterkloof and Sandton can communicate thus far. To allow users to connect to each repeater node (Randburg, Valhalla) along the length of the backbone an extra PC with it's own Yagi/omni antenna at each of the 20 node's are added. So you will have three antenna's at each node. Two for a back-to-back repeater pair, the third is used to uplink the users at that relevant node.

There are various options with the free www.locustworld.com software


Three meshboxes with two back-to-back and one meshbox as the uplink to the surounding users at the respective node. All three PC's are interconnected via ethernet.
Two PC's one with two PCI slots and one mini-ITX motherboard. Both PC's connected via Ethernet. The PC with two PCI slots has a PCI AP inserted in each, with a parabolic antenna connected to each Access point. The parabolic antenna's on the one PC with two Access Points are mounted back-to-back, this forms the repeater.
One PC with three PCI slots. Each PCI slot has a PCI Access Point, with each Access point connected to an Antenna. Two Antenna's, back-to-back (parabolic) form the repeater , the third (Yagi, 90 degree sectorised or Omni) provides the uplink for the users at the relevant node (Randburg).
Costwise One PC with with three PCI wi-fi cards is the preferred solution.
Cost analysis P-T-P repeater node with www.locustworld.com mesh boxes. Equipment Price
One Pentium PC, three PCI slots running Locustworld opensource Linux software.
www.locustworld.com 1500
LM-400 microwave cable. This cable connects the Access Point to the Antenna. After paying customs it works out to R13,61 /m. Obtain from www.fab-corp.com The db loss per meter is 0.22db. A 10 meter run of cable attenuates the signal by 2.2dB In most cases basestation PC need not be installed on roof. 123
Three RP-SMA connectors. This is the pigtail connector to the antenna at R85 each.
http://nocat.net/connectors.html
This http://www.cantenna.com
site has a query form to provide all connector combinations for any Access Point. http://www.connectorcity.com/cdocs/m_cat.php3?cat=1
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N-Male connects to Access point, three of these at R50 each 150
Three PCI Access Points at R800 each 2400
One Weatherproof box for PentiumIII PC 240
Weatherproof box clamps 100
Three antenna clamps. Two for the parabolics and one for the yagi local node. R100 + R100 + R80
280
Two parabolic antenna's at R500 each and one Yagi local node antenna for R500. R500 + R500 + R500.
5.8ghz and 2.4ghz parabolics can be obtained from
http://www.wisp-router.com/index.php?cPath=43
www.poynting.co.za
www.fab-corp.com
1500
AC power cable
100
Highsite on top of a roof is much cheaper than constructing a tower.
600

R 7500


To reduce costs even further custom Access Points like Linksys WAP11, D-link, Netgear is used to connect to the backbone Meshboxes. 30 users connects to one Linksys. This Linksys can't interface directly to a Locust meshbox, but interfaces to another Liksys connected via ethernet to a PC. This PC interfaces via ethernet into the Locust Meshbox for back-bone access. It is R1400 more expensive per user to use a meshbox for every single user. This solution where 30 users connect to a Linksys WAP 11, makes initial costs dirt cheap.

A backbone link can also be created using ICASA approved D-link Access Points. http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=22 The D-Link DWL-900AP+ Enhanced 2.4GHz (802.11b) Wireless Access Point is popular in South-Africa. www.d-link.co.za The D-link AP is placed in repeater mode with two AP connected back-to-back with ethernet cable. You will have to add a PC to enable local node uploads. Compare local prices with www.buy.com or www.pricewatch.com Pricewatch is the best place to look for companies that does international shipping. To justify the shipping cost of an Access Point, add motherboards that you would have bought locally.

A D-link/Locust combination can be used to create up to 100 nodes from Waterkloof to Sandton with low power Omni-directional and directional antenna's like Vagi's. Each Access point introduces a lag of 5ms. VoIP can still function with lag of 400ms. Dropped packets are more of a problem, the Locust Mesh Linux software solves this.

The further nodes are appart the more the signal is attenuated. Use parabolics to obtain max bitrate. Parabolic is the prefered antenna to reduce interference because it's beamwidth is so tight.

Article on building a local repeater http://www.pcchatshow.com/articles/showarticle.php?ArticleID=287

To create a repeater node with Linksys WAP11 connect them back-to-back each on a different channel with crossover ethernet cable
http://www.radio-active.net.au/web/80211/repeater.html .


Perimeter street security


Neighberhood perimeter street monitoring using www.locustworld.com meshboxes with firewire CCD cameras, infra-red spotlight for long distance nightvision and opensource www.oap.sourceforge.net Linux software for advanced intruder motion detection. www.intrancesoftworks.com is used for a Windows based street perimeter monitoring solution.

Four meshboxes are deployed at the street corners. Each box has one Omni-directional antenna, with a camera eye on the street behind, in front and at the sides of your home. All four boxes communicate with each other via Locust software. A security company watches the streets with a wi-fi uplink. The fact that a camera is recording all activity in the street is huge deterrent against crime. Just watching your own stoep with closed circuit wont work. Protect your neighbour and you protect yourself.

The video motion detection software is advanced enough to detect motion past the camera, alert the security company with an alarm and a real-time picture.

A CCD or charge coupled device camera has nightvision capabilities in the presence of an Infra-red illumination source. LED's only provide a distance of 10m. An invisible infra-red spotlight provides a 100 meters , better than expensive Russian nightvision goggles.

The infra-red spotlight can be obtained from www.amazing1.com

ICASA and 802.16




To deploy a wireless network and shift the legal blame to somebody else: Establish a commercial WISP company. This company 'sells' you a service (at cost of course) installs the equipment and takes full legal responsibility. The regulator has a case against the commercial providers, not against the subscribers to their service. So if an opensource mesh establishes their own 'commercial' company with Joe Soap as the director.... , then poor 'Joe' will have to take the rap , if there is ever a clamp down on the commercial providers.

In my discussion with Andries Matthysen he confirmed that if any action would be taken against www.wisp.co.za it will only be against the directors, not the subscribers.

Icasa recommended that the directors of Megawan be prosecuted not their subscribers. (The police and prosecutors ignored Icasa) There is no legal difference between subscribing to Joe Soap's commercial wisp or to our present commercial wisp's.

The ANC is more concerned with connecting the disadvantaged outlying communities to the Internet than protecting Telkom eternally. The whole idea with the multi-billion Rand roll out of copper wires to their constituency was to empower the poor. It was an abysmal failure that saddled Telkom with massive debts. All government achieved was to introduced many to the metallurgical industry. Telkom has withdrawn all services to them. It is this void that wi-fi and specifically 802.16 can fill. The government has made a long term strategic decision to allow Wi-Fi , as they get rid of their Telkom shares. It is for this reason that they will not rewrite the law to squash Wi-Fi and why the prosecutors will not pursue anybody under as existing legislation as it is to vague. (As long as you don't stuff up Telkom's highsites).

The new 802.16e/d Wi-Fi technology can be used to leapfrog over fiber deployment and set up a phone network. 802.16e provides 70meg bandwidth over 50km radius, Non-line of site from a single Omni-directional antenna in the 2.4ghz band. The main innovation is the Non-line of site. http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20030714S0037
 

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Just checking....you don't perhaps have your dates wrong? It is not the 1st of April.
I hope you are for REAL!
Let me check: You effectively get somebody in a community to point to IS and this house becomes the distribution point for the 50 houses around them, right? How do these 50 connect to this house, WiFi or via Fibre.
I am just thinking, Can this be also used in the Neighbourhood watch scenario to "patrol/monitor" the area?
Wow. Tell me a bit more.
 

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Hi John,
I like your thinking. We are to scared of the law in this country (I am not talking of strict criminal law obviously) and those that know how the law works and how difficult it is to prosecute make money. It is a fact. That is what distinguishes the have's from the have nots. And the truth is, if this plan works for a sufficient long time and the economic effects of it is noticed by the government, ICASA and Telkom can kiss their fat checks goodbye. Keep writing, we are all listening, even if it remains just good fiction!

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To deploy a wireless network and shift the legal blame to somebody else: Establish a commercial WISP company. This company 'sells' you a service (at cost of course) installs the equipment and takes full legal responsibility. The regulator has a case against the commercial providers, not against the subscribers to their service. So if an opensource mesh establishes their own 'commercial' company with Joe Soap as the director.... , then poor 'Joe' will have to take the rap , if there is ever a clamp down on the commercial providers.

In my discussion with Andries Matthysen he confirmed that if any action would be taken against www.wisp.co.za it will only be against the directors, not the subscribers.

Icasa recommended that the directors of Megawan be prosecuted not their subscribers. (The police and prosecutors ignored Icasa) There is no legal difference between subscribing to Joe Soap's commercial wisp or to our present commercial wisp's.
 

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This is all fine and well until some shark decides to profit from it using VoIP or something of the sorts - in which case, municipal or not, the whole idea will come crashing down. Surely this needs to be regulated or else this idea will be the victim of another Telkom profit scheme
 

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Ah yes, the eleventh commandment South Africans are so fond of.

Thou shalt not get caught.

Breaking the law is wrong, whether it's a stupid law or not. Just because a law doesn't suit you does not give you the right to do what you want to. Sure, we all dislike the Telkom monopoly, but do we really want to make ourselves guilty of a crime? While the police waste their time tracking down supposedly law-abiding citizens, the real criminals who are harder to find are walking free. Stop wasting the police's time with petty crime!

Juice
 

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John: Sounds great, so how are you going to go about getting it started? To me the logistics of it dont seem as simple as you have put it. Dont get me wrong, I like the idea, but to co-ordinate it wont be a simple process.
 

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PRACTICAL IMPLEMENTATION:

This link is a practical implementation of what I am saying:
http://www.d128.com/wireless/
http://www.jawug.za.net/default.aspx
http://www.verdu009.cistron.nl/proximlink.htm
http://nocat.net/faq.txt
LocustWorld demonstrates a handheld WiFi video link!
http://www.locustworld.com

www.cctvco.com
2.4ghz Video transmitter R580,00
2.4ghz Video receiver R877,00
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R 1460,00

Ethernet camera
http://www.broadbandstore.co.uk/acatalog/Web_Cameras.html


1) Get the book
------ Building Wireless Community Networks ------
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wirelesscommnet2
----- An online excerpt of the book can be found here ------
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/excerpt/wireless_chap07/index.html

BOOKS ON WIRELESS NETWORKING
Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=37OE93SFTM&sourceid=0007354618&pwb=1&ean=9781587050695
Wi-Fi Handbook: Building 802.11b Wireless Networks
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=37OE93SFTM&sourceid=0007354618&isbn=0071412514&itm=1
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?sourceid=7354618&isbn=0131461532
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?sourceid=7354618&isbn=0130354651
ANTENNA DESIGN
http://www.trevormarshall.com/byte_articles/byte1.htm

Wireless NEWSGROUP:
alt.internet.wireless

WI-FI vendors:
http://royalbusiness.com/product_info.php/products_id/68310
www.rflinx.com
www.demarctech.com/
www.fab-corp.com
www.cantenna.com
http://www.poynting.co.za/antennas/ism_panlA0001_18dbi.shtml
(antenna's for R350 our main supplier)

WIRELESS connectors nmale, female, rp-sma, rpsma
http://www.connectorcity.com/cdocs/m_cat.php3?cat=1

www.froogle.com
www.peaknetworks.com
www.bizrate.com
www.axiontech.com (does international shipping for Linksys)


THE Access Point we should all standerdise on Linksys WAP54G, it uses 2.4ghz spectrum, compatable with 802.11b http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10336374&loc=101
Linksys WRT54G router, needed to conect network to internet.
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10336386&loc=101
To relay CNN over the our opensource network we need much more than the 802.11b 1meg effective throughput. 802.11g gives us an effective 13meg.
www.arrowaltech.co.za is the biggest importer of computer equipment.
You can get network/pc/monitor equipment at wholesale prices from them after you have registered as a Closed Corporation. Club together and import a whole container of Linsys Bridges , Routers and Access Points via www.arrowaltech.co.za

Tutorial on Networking wireless and hardwired PC's
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/html/pdf/ba/bg/wireless/wireless_net.pdf
A bridge connects two wireless networks accross the street via point
to point or point to multi-point connections. We must standerdise on Linksys WET54G. Access Points and bridges must be from same vendor,
must have detachable antenna and have ethernet ports. A bridge must
have a repeater mode option.
-------------Wireless Hacks------------------------
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wirelesshks
Read all the online articles at --http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/80
Go to your next door neighbour and explain this concept.
The links below describe community based WI-Fi networks in Ireland Australia and the USA implementing this concept:
SOUTH AFRICA wireless ISP's: www.gin.co.za, www.wisp.co.za
http://www.verdu009.cistron.nl/proximlink.htm
http://www.erlang-software.com/FreeNet/Rottnest
http://www.trevormarshall.com/biquad.htm
http://www.joejava.com/lunchtimes.htm
http://www.wi-fiplanet.com
http://wimaxforum.org/
http://www.sanswire.com/
http://www.skylinc.co.uk/index2.php
http://www.ydi.com/calculation/fresnel-zone.php
http://www.locustworld.com/
http://www.freenetworks.org/
https://wirelessg.co.za/?section=subscriber
http://opensource.instant802.com/
http://www.sputnik.com/
http://www.skylinc.co.uk/
http://www.novak.com/weblog/categories/wirelessRemoteData/
http://www.spyplanes.com/
http://www.e-fro.cd/en/
http://openict.net/projects/wireless-longhaul/wiki/view/AxKit/Links
http://www.cantenna.com/
http://www.seattlewireless.net/
http://www.wirelessethernet.org/index.html
http://www.homerf.org/
http://www.sss-mag.com/wlan.html
http://www.hyperlinktech.com/html/products/antennas_2400.html
http://www.xtreamnet.com/site/index.php
http://www.elektrosmog.nu
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/
http://www.personaltelco.net/
http://nocat.net/faq.txt
http://freebase.sourceforge.net/
http://www.nycwireless.net/buildnode_start.html
http://www.antennasystems.com/broadband.html#anchor37473
http://www.techsplanet.com/cables.htm
http://www.leemingwireless.net/
http://d128.com
http://www.uninetwork.co.za
http://www.wirelessanarchy.com/

If there is still any doubt's then phone JSE listed JASCO.
Jasco's business is building communication high sites. Telkom has lodged over 1000 complaints over Jasco with ICASA...So What!?
 

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There are already a few people out there wirelessly linking their houses. All interested parties should list themselves on http://www.nodedb.com/africa/za ,even if there is noone nearby, interest will soon pick up - especially after there is no more legal issues.
 

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There is no need for you to canvess 50 people and then install your own leased line. Just find somebody with an existing leased line.

Yea, exactly very simple isn't it. 100's of small businesses would love somebody to share the burden of a wopping R6000 a month for an ISDN line.

For example close to Moreleta Park , Pretoria we have closed security villages. These villages have laid their own Fiber optic cables, and I all you have to do is link with an Access Point(Linksys WAP 11 , Orinoco 1000) into their network. If you don't have line of site to somebody with an ISDN line then find two or three residences install a R600 Access Point and hop your signal from Access Point to Access Point into the existing ISDN connection.
 

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It would be great if we could get somebody from one of the wireless ISPs to work with us.
 

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rpm have you checked out this thread? can any of you technically endowded blokes confirm any of this?
 

dufrenchie

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Has rpm seen this thread? any comments from the technical guys amongst you - will this work?
 

armitage

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I wonder if anyone in the bellville area is interested
cause im starting to like the ideas floating around
its interesting to note how joburg is already on its way to getting nicely connected
cape town i found only had one spot but cant even figure out where though.

New service by Telkom broadband speeds up to 5kbps for only R1k a month. heheh
 

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john

this makes lots of sense. for those of us who are relatively new to wi fi, the costs tend to be off putting. i spotted your links and checked out pricing etc. looks good.

any ideas of doing this in east london. i am about to move to a new office location and am thinking of a internal wireless lan linking via sentech's system for internet. the issues on this are:
- still need telkom for normal pots line services eg., fax and landline phone
- want to run the server side on linux while d/tops etc will run on windoze - users who have been hooked on ms
- aside from the security for lan data - which will need to be maintained, it would be nice to set up a hotspot from our office premises for any users

your thoughts on the public access thru high masts, paying of the city and linking to a wisp are important. does one get signal corruption if our networks overlap - unlikely in my small city but then we tend to copy successful ideas!!
 

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k but how do u approach the town councils.


New service by Telkom broadband speeds up to 5kbps for only R1k a month. heheh
 

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Man makes all laws. As we all know there are some pretty stupid men around. Don't be too overly zealous in protecting our justice system. It is the justice system that is the one releasing rapists and murderers, not us!

If you can find a way to legally sidestep a law then go for it. Do not break it just sidestep it. There is a difference and you can still avoid sleepless nights worrying about whether Telkom is making its money or not. Believe me, it is not worrying about you when it comes to over-charging you for services rendered. Stop thinking of Telkom as a personal entity. Think of it as a behemoth, which is run by people chasing a profit margin with a monopoly, which is supposed to help the country move forward and not stand still. Their excuses for high prices are always traceable to the idea that they have to protect old technology instead of bringing in the new. Why should we pay so much for the maintenance of analogue telephone services when digital Voice of IP is already proving to be cheaper? Sorry, I am ranting and raving again, but if Telkom is deliberately avoiding the provision of a service that we ourselves can set up and run at a more affordable rate, then the law should protect the people and not Telkom. The law should be to the benefit of the people it was designed to protect.

There is NO excuse for Telkom in not providing a service that we KNOW we can run affordably if we are let to our own devices. NO EXCUSE!


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<br />Ah yes, the eleventh commandment South Africans are so fond of.

Thou shalt not get caught.

Breaking the law is wrong, whether it's a stupid law or not. Just because a law doesn't suit you does not give you the right to do what you want to. Sure, we all dislike the Telkom monopoly, but do we really want to make ourselves guilty of a crime? While the police waste their time tracking down supposedly law-abiding citizens, the real criminals who are harder to find are walking free. Stop wasting the police's time with petty crime!

Juice
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He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
 

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Hi John and everybody else,

I just love it man! Seems you have been studying this for a long time and that you can architecture this quite well.

THE LAW
Don't use the word "bangbroeke" although that is very much true of any enterpreneural venture, a lot of people have an idea and they never do something about it, the main reason is linked to their fears. One day they wake up and somebody sells their successful business based on that very same idea for more than a R Billion and fly out to space.

I do suggest that we investigate the law well so that we know where we will be hit. It will require a mayor outlay of combined capital and a lot of people will be very sour if "Big Brother" starts an organised clampdown one day. We have rights, we have a constitution and they back us up in many ways and it is possible that a stupid law that protects a monopoly is in contradiction with it.

THE MONOPOLY
Big monopolies are basically socialist structures. (Not trying to get into politics). They become clumsy and they do everything the big clumsy way and they are far from being dynamic. They are owned by unions and a lot of capital interest are involved and the law seems compelled to protect them. Telkom is a strangling monopoly, they strangle themselves because they strangle the economy. One would feel that the only way that such a monopoly can sustain itself in relation to the government would be to ensure that a incompetent minister stays in place to protect its interests. Money must be going under the table somehow, one may feel.

Enterpreneural ventures can escalade so fast if they have enough freedom when so much stress have build up in the system that needs to be released. They can pull the carpet from under the monopoly in next to no time and who wants to do so much damage ;-).[}:)]

NEIGHBOURHOOD
I would have a problem in my neighbourhood. Old money, old ways. To find enough people in my vicinity to support this idea would be difficult. To guarantee success, we need dynamics. Things must happen fast, almost wreckless. We need to find a few value added concepts that will bring these people in. Security could be one but I have even found that there is a slackness in that regard.

STRATEGY
Your idea on security is an important one for this plan to work. I have talked about home based security systems before and the need for a person to get access to his house data through a small webserver. For that reason I proposed that Telkom provides a much cheaper ADSL service with low bandwidth volumes for people that do basic "surfing" and the rest would be tied to their Home Automation and Security network.

If the police were to get access to this network for the purposes you named and others and they get so tied in too it that it is impossible for them to operate without it, how can anybody come and destroy this backbone. Add to it assistance to emergency services, fire detection for instance.

OPEN COMMUNITY
This needs a open community. I agree with this previous point. Dynamics are important and as much value as possible should be added and the open community is probably the best way to achieve it.

AD HOC NETWORKS
Now this an idea that I have been brooding on everytime I get stuck in the traffic. I am sure there is a lot of research on this already. Maybe John may tell us.

Bluetooth and WLAN technologies uses the "ad hoc" concept to link together. For those that don't know, it roughly implies that although my bluetooth or WLAN device is an endpoint or access point for my own purposes, it also acts as a router or relay station for other devices. A whole battery of these devices form quite a strong way to carry data over distance.

If every car gets fitted with such a device (it will definitely happen in the long term in any case, one envisaged way would be into the mobile network) they will effectively link together to form one huge data link and it implies that in fair peak traffic times we can have a link stretching from Pretoria to Johannesburg as well as hundreds of others criss-crossing our cities.

If these devices contain small internet routers, we can have a mobile based internet stretching quite a long way without using any monopoly's network.

There are tons of good reasons for having internet enabled cars. Traffic management is just one of them. If car movements can be tracked in peak times, it could be used by supercomputers to give precise information on which route should be used to reach a certain destination in the shortest possible time.

Intercar communications may be another in whichever way it is required.

Electronic number plate systems will have to be based on some similar system. Cars passing a certain point will report their number plate to a base station. Yes, it sounds "Big Brother" and it is scary but it also will curb vehicle related crime significantly. If a car doesn't report its information, it can be stopped immediately for investigation.

The story goes on. The fact is, by combining houses, vehicles and all sorts of other stations, we can have a powerful city network independent of cable.

I do not suggest that this network will be able to carry the growing demands of huge data transfers. It can become fairly powerful as the technology grows, the mobile routers must become more powerful and be able to handle a significant data throughput. But it will boost a complete new economy where small chucks of data with information such as geographical position can be conveyed to where-ever it may be needed.


I wrote this fairly fast, I am actually stealing my own time. Please feel free to criticize me and everyone else here. If this forum ever achieves the establishment of an alternative working network, at least for data purposes, it will have achieved much more than solving the ADSL with Telkom. It will create technological freedom for all and that will be the ultimate achievement.

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