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John

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"ICASA routinely checks local wireless highsites for excess power
ouput. ICASA is happy with your highsite as long as your power out
stays within the USA FCC guidelines of less than 100mW."

I finally got this info out of WISP in JHB. They have partnered with
the ANC in providing Adult education to black people in partnership
with Old Mutual. The projects name is ABED.
The ANC instructed ICASA to now only enforce the 100mw radiated power
limit and not get involved in trying to interpret the Telecoms Act.
So we don't even have to partner with local council , we can just
set up our Networks and peer strait into www.is.co.za peering points.


KILLER app FOR WIRELESS:

US television over the internet.
The only way that you would be able to afford a 400kbit stream, peered directly into Internet Solutions backbone, is with your own 5.8ghz backhaul antenna and 50 other people,shareing the cost.

We only need ONE ADSL connection at a residence in the USA for CNN, install an ADSL line for him and pay the monthly bill of R280 in the USA. ADSL in the USA runs at a speed of 1meg. Using PC anywhere link that remote PC into television programs that you can legally
rebroadcast. And this way you can watch CNN... (just make sure with CNN though)

Then a second dedicated ADSL line in the USA for BBC...
There is no cap on ADSL bandwidth in the USA.

Coordinate our efforts via www.yahoogroups.com so that only ONE wireless hub in SA downloads CNN, caches it on www.is.co.za server and we all then pull CNN from this local server. The Nelspruit wi-fi hub caches BBC and so on. It would be incredibly wastefull for the Cape Town wireless hub to duplicate the Nelspruit wireless hub in downloading CNN, international bandwidth is Telkom expensive.

The only way we will get an Open Source www.opensource.org community based wireless internet network going, is to get hold of a killer application:
USA television over the internet as described.

In negotiating with www.is.co.za we must get:
a) Cost of local bandwidth ( which should be very cheap)
b) Cost of international bandwidth (expensive)

In this way , if all you want to do is watch International Television, you could negotiate a bandwidth deal with www.is.co.za where you have no access to international bandwidth, only local!

1000 people paying www.is.co.za to cache CNN and 10 other stations on their server and shareing the cost of international bandwidth makes this whole concept cost efective.
(By 1000 people I mean 20 wireless hubs of 50 people each from Tzaneen to Cape Town. 3 hubs finance caching CNN, the other 3 BBC ect...)

For wireless TV implemented see:
http://www.locustworld.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
[:)]
 

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You guys want to stream TV?
That's nice but here's what u really want to do
u want to get a guy in japan where i bet u the prices are even cheaper to hook up there and then rather than getting streamed CNN u can get the absolutely incredible WOW WOW channel[^] just imagine 24/7 anime channel( regretably raw japanese but hey i can learn quickly)

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sore feels like im posting a lot in this thread but thats just cause im so excited bout it.
http://www.nodedb.com/africa/za/?
i've laid down my place as a possible area of interest maybe if we can get 3+ people interested we can all chip in for the ourdoor bridge.
that would b so cool.

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John

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I am editing my previous posts and deleting some, compressing
all relevant info into one post eventually.

www.nocap.co.za has a bandwidth of 256k.
By using your ADSL connection and peering into www.nocap.co.za server
you get unlimited international bandwidth. Local bandwidth is not
capped by telkom for adsl. Now go and set up three access points and
resel bandwidth to your neighbour, you are now a mini ISP.
http://www.erlang-software.com/FreeNet/Rottnest

The part about peering into IS peering point we will leave till later... We just want to get connected for the time being.

Do a search on www.froogle.com with words: 802.11g and Access Point.
You will get companies that sell 802.11g AP's for R600.
http://royalbusiness.com/product_info.php/products_id/68310
These AP's run at 15meg as opposed to the previous AP's 802.11b which only managed 1meg.
 

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John: Hope this isnt a dumb question...Are these technologies line of site? I am less than 2 km's from an IS office in PE but they arent line of Site, and I am only in a house, so no real high spots.The telkom exchange is even closer at around 500m with a high cell tower on their property, but less than no chance of using that.
 

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If you don't have line of sight you will have to install two
access points and hop you signal from AP to AP the last AP must have
line of sight to the peering point.

See link below:
http://www.erlang-software.com/FreeNet/Rottnest
http://www.trevormarshall.com/byte_articles/byte1.htm
 

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John: So I would need to purchase the following,correct me if my thinking is wrong:
3 x Antenex 14.6 dBi Yagi @ $75 each
3 x WIRELESS 802.11G 54MBPS ACCESS POINT W BRIDGE TRENDNET @ $75.54 each

My Home: 1 x Antenex 14.6 dBi Yagi and 1 x WIRELESS 802.11G 54MBPS ACCESS POINT W BRIDGE TRENDNET, cat 5 cable to ethernet card in pc.

Mid Point: 1 x Antenex 14.6 dBi Yagi and 1 x WIRELESS 802.11G 54MBPS ACCESS POINT W BRIDGE TRENDNET

IS Offices: 1 x Antenex 14.6 dBi Yagi and 1 x WIRELESS 802.11G 54MBPS ACCESS POINT W BRIDGE TRENDNET, cat 5 cable linking into their system, if they are ok with that.

I am not sure what this antenna does(MAXRAD WISP Series 15 dBi Yagi) but is it possible to purchase 2 x AP's and 2 x Antenex 14.6 dBi Yagi
and 1 x MAXRAD WISP Series 15 dBi Yagi(for midpoint), and still make the entire link?

Hope I made that clear enough.
 

nthiart

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John: We are the distributors of the Trendnet product in SA, and we have a few setup's like this, but most inside a complex. We are a bit dodgy on the whole ICASA law thing, but some links we have setup are between 8 and 10km's. I see you mention the 5.8Ghz, does it have to be 5.8Ghz as with 2.4Ghz, you can go greater distances. Also we get our antennas locally made.

You can have a look at the Trendnet products and contact us about them.

P.S What is the law surrounding 5.8Ghz, the same as 2.4Ghz.
 

John

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I have created a website that contains this entire thread
in summary form with links and how the whole setup will cost
you R1400 for a Linksys Access Point
http://sawireless.tripod.com/

Register at yahoo groups with the aim of pooling money together
to import Linksys wireless gear in bulk. www.arrowaltech.co.za
might be able to help us.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sawireless
 

armitage

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thx. currently getting everybody in my area interested 2 c if they want to join in
also solar ure location at nodedb is that boston area? Can you get lOS with the bill bezuidenhout n1 bridge?

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armitage, i'm in eversdal (durbanville/bellville) i'd be keen to jump in aswell, i'm sure theres a couple of others around here too.
 

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I'd just like to add all the wifi equipment (Access Points,PCI cards,Antenna,Cable) is readily available locally - no need to import really. http://www.poynting.co.za - they sell great antenna's and http://webb.co.za also sell antenna,masts,cable,connectors,you name it. DLink (http://www.dlink.co.za) is quite active in South Africa and they'll be pushing their 802.11g+ (108mbps) equipment very soon, their stuff is very affordable. I'm currently running a 2 way wifi link over 2kms with another 5 people joining in in the near future. Then in turn we'll connect to another group further away. We already have a site under construction at http://www.jawug.za.net (Johannesburg Area Wireless User Group). Again check out http://www.nodedb.com/africa/za and register if you're interested!!!
 

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come on tygerberg/durbanville ppl get on board if we do this right i dont have 2 go to my weekend lans anymore i can just connect from home. i dont have to eat gatsby's anymore. i can have a comfortable bed.[:(]
please for the love of health.

hehe[:D]

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lol, found solar's node on www.nodedb.com ... he's 12km from me... lets get node'ing ppl. :) My brother lives near to me, aswell as my dad... its nearly christmas bonus time.... time to buy toyz. =)
 

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if u check out on cape town my node that im interested in making is the evil node its just above solar's

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Does the antenna/dish have to be 5 ghz for a 802.11g or can it still work if its running on the 2.4 range?

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John

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Wi-fi video cameras for police via 30 access points:
http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/article.php/3106771

using http://www.tropos.com/products/index.shtml

Wireless linking Tzaneen
to Cape Town
 

Solar

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Well... I'm actually also closer to Eversdal/Durbanville than boston, but I'm about 1 k from the Bill Bezuidenhoud.

We've been running ADSL through this link now for about 2 months with excellent results.. 2 hours downtime at the most.
 

Solar

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Are anyone in the Cape Town area interested in starting a site like http://www.jawug.za.net/ ?
If we can only get someone on Tygerberg hill since that's clear line of sight to main AP as well.
 
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