52% of South Africans don’t want Covid vaccine, despite SA securing initial batch

[ForceFate]

It might be. I didn't read the article in the OP but what I saw on the news was that they procured 1 million doses and the medical staff were complaining that there is a medical complement of 1.25 million in SA.

It's medical staff first. Prisoners will follow at some point down the line.

 

[WorldWarII]

It's medical staff first. Prisoners will follow at some point down the line.

so if all the medical staff grow a third nipple and start crossfit...

great plan government...

 

[rambo919]

It's medical staff first. Prisoners will follow at some point down the line.

I do wonder if that's how the medical system finally collapses..... they mass vaccinate the entire countries medical staff who already have compromized immune systems due to a year of overwork and systematic fear and the vaccine turns out to be toxic enough to kill or make a third to half of them unfit for duty..... that's all it will take really.

 

[pinball wizard]

That's from an efficacy standpoint rather than a safety one.

Either way, seems there's procedural issues with the way this vaccine was tested and pout to market.

 

[ForceFate]

so if all the medical staff grow a third nipple and start crossfit...

great plan government...

That's how most governments are doing it. Vaccinate those exposed to the virus the most. Nothing to see here.

 

[ForceFate]

I do wonder if that's how the medical system finally collapses..... they mass vaccinate the entire countries medical staff who already have compromized immune systems due to a year of overwork and systematic fear and the vaccine turns out to be toxic enough to kill or make a third to half of them unfit for duty..... that's all it will take really.

See post #345. I guess one decision can never satisfy everyone.

 

[rambo919]

See post #345. I guess one decision can never satisfy everyone.

My musing was just speculation really..... don't take it as anything more than that.

 

[Unhappy438]

Either way, seems there's procedural issues with the way this vaccine was tested and pout to market.

Perhaps, although the vaccine being 90% effective instead of 95% effective due to procedural issues doesn't negate taking it in the first place.

I understand the skepticism from people however, its a vaccine that's been rushed to market relatively speaking. We just need to be careful we don't all fall for anti vaccine carp (not saying you), but have noted a few others in this thread doing so.

 

[Quicks]

I wonder if the vaccines kills 1% of the participants. Would that be acceptable losses?

 

[Unhappy438]

I wonder if the vaccines kills 1% of the participants. Would that be acceptable losses?

Given its a higher death rate than the virus itself, why would it be acceptable?

 

[spiff]

has all the Pfizer top staff, CEO's & share holders had their vaccine yet?

 

[rambo919]

Given its a higher death rate than the virus itself, why would it be acceptable?

The virus pays no taxes, vaccine profits do.

 

[Quicks]

Given its a higher death rate than the virus itself, why would it be acceptable?

Just like others have pointed out that it might not have been tested enough to know what side effects and how many people would actually die because of the vaccines.

The point is the death rate is low like you said it yourself, why bother with a vaccine if it would cause death or other side effects in anyway.

 

[surface]

has all the Pfizer top staff, CEO's & share holders had their vaccine yet?

No idea but top staff & CEO are not likely to be 80+ with existing conditions.

 

[spiff]

No idea but top staff & CEO are not likely to be 80+ with existing conditions.

age has nothing to do with existing conditions. existing conditions effect all ages.

check this

Adults of any age with the following conditions are at increased risk of severe illness from the virus that causes COVID-19:

• Cancer
• Chronic kidney disease
• COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
• Down Syndrome
• Heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies
• Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from solid organ transplant
• Obesity (body mass index [BMI] of 30 kg/m2 or higher but < 40 kg/m2)
• Severe Obesity (BMI ≥ 40 kg/m2)
• Pregnancy
• Sickle cell disease
• Smoking
• Type 2 diabetes mellitus

COVID-19 is a new disease. Currently there are limited data and information about the impact of many underlying medical conditions on the risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Based on what we know at this time, adults of any age with the following conditions might be at an increased risk for severe illness from the virus that causes COVID-19:

• Asthma (moderate-to-severe)
• Cerebrovascular disease (affects blood vessels and blood supply to the brain)
• Cystic fibrosis
• Hypertension or high blood pressure
• Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from blood or bone marrow transplant, immune deficiencies, HIV, use of corticosteroids, or use of other immune weakening medicines
• Neurologic conditions, such as dementia
• Liver disease
• Overweight (BMI > 25 kg/m2, but < 30 kg/m2)
• Pulmonary fibrosis (having damaged or scarred lung tissues)
• Thalassemia (a type of blood disorder)
• Type 1 diabetes mellitus

 

[surface]

age has nothing to do with existing conditions. existing conditions effect all ages.

Mine was not a expert comment at all, should have cleared that one but I would think that age 80+ would have more issues than in age group of 50, considering all things equal but I really have no idea.

 

[Unhappy438]

Just like others have pointed out that it might not have been tested enough to know what side effects and how many people would actually die because of the vaccines.

The point is the death rate is low like you said it yourself, why bother with a vaccine if it would cause death or other side effects in anyway.

I didn't say the death rate is low and your hypothetical is meaningless.

 

[Ragnarök]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1355163674386849798

 

[neoprema]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1355163674386849798

Rubbish.

Firstly, a vaccine is a prophylactic, medication is for symptomatic treatment once you are sick. You could potentially take invermectin every day for "just in case" but its definitely not scalable nor viable globally for prophylaxis.

Secondly, the virus was genetically modified - that's part of what made it a vaccine.

Thirdly, HEK-293 cells were taken from aborted fetuses obtained legally over 40 years ago and infected with adenovirus, and have been cloned since for use in a wide variety of vaccines and medical research including many other vaccines.
As quoted from the Nebraska Medical Center:
"But it's important to have the full context: Fetal cell lines are not the same as fetal tissue. Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from elective abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating fetal cell lines. Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue.
Vaccine makers may use these fetal cell lines in any of the following three stages of vaccine development:

• Development: Identifying what works
• Confirmation: Making sure it works
• Production: Manufacturing the formula that works"

That tweet and related image above are just sensationalism and nonsense.

 

[Ragnarök]

Rubbish.

Firstly, a vaccine is a prophylactic, medication is for symptomatic treatment once you are sick. You could potentially take invermectin every day for "just in case" but its definitely not scalable nor viable globally for prophylaxis.

Secondly, the virus was genetically modified - that's part of what made it a vaccine.

Thirdly, HEK-293 cells were taken from aborted fetuses obtained legally over 40 years ago and infected with adenovirus, and have been cloned since for use in a wide variety of vaccines and medical research including many other vaccines.
As quoted from the Nebraska Medical Center:
"But it's important to have the full context: Fetal cell lines are not the same as fetal tissue. Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from elective abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating fetal cell lines. Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue.
Vaccine makers may use these fetal cell lines in any of the following three stages of vaccine development:

• Development: Identifying what works
• Confirmation: Making sure it works
• Production: Manufacturing the formula that works"

That tweet and related image above are just sensationalism and nonsense.

Can someone who got the vaccine please scan and post the insert