8 new laws Ramaphosa is about to sign that every South African needs to know about

[ISP cash cow]

It is sad, but that is the reality.

Lets use your example of "fairness". Do you think it is fair to deny someone who will want to work at R90 a day because the government says you have to employ them at R100 a day?

An exemption may only be granted if the employer cannot afford to pay the minimum wage and after meaningful consultation with every trade union representing affected employees or the affected employee him/herself in absence of a trade union.

It seems the government is making provision for that, so you can come to an understanding between yourself and the employee.

 

[OCP]

It is sad, but that is the reality.

Lets use your example of "fairness". Do you think it is fair to deny someone who will want to work at R90 a day because the government says you have to employ them at R100 a day?

Nope - but guess what? Life is not fair ... someone always draws the short stick somewhere.

 

[konfab]

It seems the government is making provision for that, so you can come to an understanding between yourself and the employee.

An exemption may only be granted if the employer cannot afford to pay the minimum wage and after meaningful consultation with every trade union representing affected employees or the affected employee him/herself in absence of a trade union.

Good thing to do for someone whose labour is valued at R20 an hour.

And how does our beloved government determine whether someone can afford it? Lets say I want my house cleaned for R100 a day. That is what I can afford with my savings goals. The government of the People's Republic of South Africa says that I actually can afford the R120 a day. Therefore either I employ a domestic worker for R120 a day or I don't. Since (for now at least) the government can't force me to employ someone, I won't employ them because their labour is too much for what I would be willing to pay.

 

[konfab]

Nope - but guess what? Life is not fair ... someone always draws the short stick somewhere.

Yup, and currently that is the unemployed.

 

[OCP]

Good thing to do for someone whose labour is valued at R20 an hour.

And how does our beloved government determine whether someone can afford it? Lets say I want my house cleaned for R100 a day. That is what I can afford with my savings goals. The government of the People's Republic of South Africa says that I actually can afford the R120 a day. Therefore either I employ a domestic worker for R120 a day or I don't. Since (for now at least) the government can't force me to employ someone, I won't employ them because their labour is too much for what I would be willing to pay.

If the dear guvament decrees that R120 is the minimum and you can't afford it then you can't afford it.
Just like the BMX X7 that the bank will not give you a loan for because you don;'t earn enough.
Sucks for you and the domestic but it is what it is.

 

[OCP]

Yup, and currently that is the unemployed.

I disagree - the ANC has been in power long enough to make a considerable difference to the previously disadvantaged and unemployed.

Instead they have looted and pillaged in a frenzy causing the near collapse of social infrastructure, SOE's and the economy.
Pretty soon (if not already - i'm not that good with economics) our national debt will be more that we can afford to pay back.
SME's are having to retrench staff which is adding to the unemployment figures.
The middle class is being raped with ever increasing taxes.

It's not *just* the unemployed - we are all in this sinking ship together....

 

[Reaper84]

As per the law:

The LLA Bill amends the BCEA to provide that an employee, who is a parent of a child, is entitled to at least ten consecutive days’ parental leave. The parental leave may commence on the day that the employee’s child is born or whichever is earlier: the date that the adoption order is granted; or the date that a child is placed in the care of a prospective adoptive parent by a competent court, pending the finalisation of an adoption order in respect of that child.

You parents won't get 10 additional leave days every year lol

 

[OCP]

As per the law:

The LLA Bill amends the BCEA to provide that an employee, who is a parent of a child, is entitled to at least ten consecutive days’ parental leave. The parental leave may commence on the day that the employee’s child is born or whichever is earlier: the date that the adoption order is granted; or the date that a child is placed in the care of a prospective adoptive parent by a competent court, pending the finalisation of an adoption order in respect of that child.

You parents won't get 10 additional leave days every year lol

Thanks for clarifying

A pity but still good as those 1st ten days really require both parents to be there.

 

[Toxxyc]

New paternity leave rights

The Labour Laws Amendment Bill allows for parental leave, adoption leave and commissioning parental leave to employees as follows:

• An employee, who is a parent of a child, is entitled to ten consecutive days of parental leave;
• An employee, who is an adoptive parent of a child below the age of two, is entitled to:
• Adoption leave of at least ten consecutive weeks; or
• At least ten consecutive days of parental leave.

An employee, who is a commissioning parent in a surrogacy agreement, is entitled to:

• Commissioning parental leave of ten consecutive weeks; or
• At least ten consecutive days of parental leave.

YES I have been waiting for this one!

 

[rietrot]

increasing minimum wages. increasing paternal leave, forcing political parties to declare where their funds come from and giving the attorney general more strength is not sensible?

increase minimum wages is stupid.
Paternal leave is unnecessary doesn't need to be regulated. People can negotiate individually.
Maybe. I prefer that political parties act transparently and honestly without a law forcing them to do so. They'll find a loophole or indirect method to receive dodgy funding.
Maybe. I don't see how the auditor general didn't have enough powers in the past. I also don't see how fixing badly administratored government departments is a audit function. There's a conflict of interest.

 

[ISP cash cow]

As per the law:

The LLA Bill amends the BCEA to provide that an employee, who is a parent of a child, is entitled to at least ten consecutive days’ parental leave. The parental leave may commence on the day that the employee’s child is born or whichever is earlier: the date that the adoption order is granted; or the date that a child is placed in the care of a prospective adoptive parent by a competent court, pending the finalisation of an adoption order in respect of that child.

You parents won't get 10 additional leave days every year lol

Thanks for the clarification so it is for the paternal leave for births and adoptions.

Still good to see fathers getting 10 days instead of 3

 

[Toxxyc]

Thanks for the clarification so it is for the paternal leave for births and adoptions.

Still good to see fathers getting 10 days instead of 3

This. With moms in hospital for 3 days before going home, it's a pain in the ass figuring out where the other days will come from. 10 days gives you hospital AND home time for when she's still recovering.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

New paternity leave rights

The Labour Laws Amendment Bill allows for parental leave, adoption leave and commissioning parental leave to employees as follows:

• An employee, who is a parent of a child, is entitled to ten consecutive days of parental leave;
• An employee, who is an adoptive parent of a child below the age of two, is entitled to:
• Adoption leave of at least ten consecutive weeks; or
• At least ten consecutive days of parental leave.

An employee, who is a commissioning parent in a surrogacy agreement, is entitled to:

• Commissioning parental leave of ten consecutive weeks; or
• At least ten consecutive days of parental leave.

YES I have been waiting for this one!

Who is the "commissioning" parent in a surrogacy agreement?
Because they get 10 weeks' leave?

 

[rietrot]

This. With moms in hospital for 3 days before going home, it's a pain in the ass figuring out where the other days will come from. 10 days gives you hospital AND home time for when she's still recovering.

Don't you have any other leave?

 

[OCP]

This. With moms in hospital for 3 days before going home, it's a pain in the ass figuring out where the other days will come from. 10 days gives you hospital AND home time for when she's still recovering.

Those first few days are serious WTF

- WTF have we done
- WTF is this thing crying all the time
- WTF is my wife cross with me again
- WTF does such a small being produce that much output
- WTF am I ever going to sleep again

After a few days life returns to the normal chaos and everything is ok again ;-)

 

[ISP cash cow]

Don't you have any other leave?

you may not like it but we have moved past the 1950's. Parenting is a tag team effort and not just a burden on the mothers anymore. Both Father's and mothers get involved now days.

Why should a father get penalized with his annual leave while trying to help his wife settle in with a newborn, besides a lot of guys who work in the building or similar industries do not have a choice when they can take their annual leave. The companies usually shut down over Christmas and new year for the annual shutdown.

So basically if you child is not born after the 16th December or before the 11th January you are screwed.

 

[Toxxyc]

Who is the "commissioning" parent in a surrogacy agreement?
Because they get 10 weeks' leave?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Don't you have any other leave?

I do. 15 days a year. Of those 15 I have to keep a certain amount to take over the December shutdown period. I welcome the additional 10 days with open arms.

Those first few days are serious WTF

- WTF have we done
- WTF is this thing crying all the time
- WTF is my wife cross with me again
- WTF does such a small being produce that much output
- WTF am I ever going to sleep again

After a few days life returns to the normal chaos and everything is ok again ;-)

Right now we're at the "I hope she doesn't pop like a balloon" stage.

 

[ISP cash cow]

Right now we're at the "I hope she doesn't pop like a balloon" stage.

unfortunately then I doubt this will be in law before your baby is born, so you may lose out on it.

 

[Toxxyc]

unfortunately then I doubt this will be in law before your baby is born, so you may lose out on it.

We're due early March 2019, so there's still hope!

 

[DreamKing]

Parental leave is a bad thing?
do you have kids?

As a single parent of 2 young kids I have had to take a few days leave here and there which means I end up with no leave during school holidays :-(

parental leave is not a bad thing, but the employee already had 3+ children but she still wants more then that is a bad thing.
you can create more "employee friendly environment and hostile policies for investors", however, you want more foreign investors to invest SA to create more jobs then that is insane.