8 women raped by Basotho Nationals whilst shooting a music video in West Village mining dump.

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Oh? Nonsense? Want the source? Here you go;-

Deaths due to political violence during apartheid:

Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 (Apartheid era) in South Africa and Namibia.

According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died
in political violence in South Africa during apartheid – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Cassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.

Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans — such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book’s detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, “Black on Black” violence – hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killings, and taxi and turf war violence.

The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures.

The security forces of the RSA caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against blacks (The AWB was allied with the IFP (Zulu)), but mainly due to “black-on-black necklace murders”, tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC’s military wings in shopping centres, landmines on farm roads, etc.

Apologies in order from you.
Lol, I've been through this with you. You say the ANC killed those 20k odd. Not even your "book" makes that claim. And your "authoritative" book obviously ignores (more likely you quote mining) the fact that that violence was between the ANC and IFP. The apartheid police sponsored the IFP and fomented the conflict. Or do you expect that the apartheid secret police would have participated in the open, uniforms and all? Don't be naive, but you're not really naive just prejudiced and close minded. So, no apology for an apologist. Learn to look at info critically without bias.
 

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Exactly. They were clearly, according to the news, not shooting a music video. They were half naked, probably shooting naked / porno scenes. Since models, probably beautiful too. What did anyone think would happen to these women? Back to my original post, if this was the case, the company who did the shoot must be held responsible. Green screen inside a secure location for naked / porn shoots should have been the answer. Not the territory of illegal miners where no security or protection was made available to these women. This wasn't 20 rapists walking around looking for prey. They became rapists after they raped these women. They were merely sick criminals who took advantage of the situation.
Stop posting rubbish
 

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Funny. 8 models raped. None of the other crew members raped. Must be the roll of the dice, right? Just strange that it now appears to be probably a porno shoot.

South Africa Shocker: 8 Women Models Gang-raped During Music Video Shoot Near Johannesburg​


They rape anything from infants to pensioners.
 

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Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 (Apartheid era) in South Africa and Namibia.

According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid

Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans

The security forces of the RSA caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.


Take up your concerns with The HRC.
How many people testified in the TRC? How many of the unknown cases were classified as suicide or were just never recorded? How much info was in the destroyed files?

Truth is, no one knows for certain how many people were killed. A lot of people refused to testify.
 

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Exactly. They were clearly, according to the news, not shooting a music video. They were half naked, probably shooting naked / porno scenes. Since models, probably beautiful too.
Music videos...

I have no idea who the artist in the first video is.

Perhaps I should add Cardi B's videos as well?
What did anyone think would happen to these women? Back to my original post, if this was the case, the company who did the shoot must be held responsible. Green screen inside a secure location for naked / porn shoots should have been the answer. Not the territory of illegal miners where no security or protection was made available to these women. This wasn't 20 rapists walking around looking for prey. They became rapists after they raped these women. They were merely sick criminals who took advantage of the situation.
 

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Am I right that the arrests made so far are for illegal mining and illegal immigrants, still trying to identify those responsible for the rapes.
 

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Lol, I've been through this with you. You say the ANC killed those 20k odd. Not even your "book" makes that claim. And your "authoritative" book obviously ignores (more likely you quote mining) the fact that that violence was between the ANC and IFP. The apartheid police sponsored the IFP and fomented the conflict. Or do you expect that the apartheid secret police would have participated in the open, uniforms and all? Don't be naive, but you're not really naive just prejudiced and close minded. So, no apology for an apologist. Learn to look at info critically without bias.

Any comment on necklaces then? Maybe you can try to explain them away as fomented by the apartheid government too?
 

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How many people testified in the TRC? How many of the unknown cases were classified as suicide or were just never recorded? How much info was in the destroyed files?

Truth is, no one knows for certain how many people were killed. A lot of people refused to testify.

Not everybody. As soon as it became obvious the ANC were far more to blame for atrocities, it was wound up. And not a single ANC member that never got amnesty was prosecuted...
 

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In the 80's I lived in Hillbrow and used to walk to work through Park Station and Jhb CBD to Selby. Fridays after work we had drinks and I used to walk back late evening with no concerns for my safety.
Financial institutions used to send their junior employees for week long training courses and book them into The Ambassador hotel in Pretoria street, and The Mark hotel in O'Reilly road, Berea, this was in 1988.
 

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Thereafter, physical castration to ensure no repeat offences.
I will settle for that, plus they need to be repeatedly subjected to multiple traditional circumcision ceremonies until their gangrenous members rot away and fall off, no pain killers allowed.
 

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That's like saying if there's a dangerous criminal who has escaped from prison the police shouldn't warn the public but just arrest the criminal.

There is absolutely nothing wrong about warning messages, that's how things work in the real world, we don't have enough cops to station at every corner.
Nah, some ANC cadre just got a tender for signs.

There's a huge difference between a warning message that is sent out via any media, and a permanent sign.
Societal moral decline so bad that you need to put up a permanent sign? Most people with half a brain would lay the responsibility for that at the ANC cadre's feet and that of their voters, their one and only accomplishment.
 

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Why did the various intel services destroy files in the late '80s and early '90s. I'm pretty sure you're aware of various operations the government carried out to stem out communism, sone of which were classified, as well as deaths that were recorded as suicide or natural causes, or abductions that were never recorded. Unfortunately the period was clouded in secrecy. We'll never know the full extend of atrocities committed by both sides.
What a pile of kak. You and @JuliusSeizure same whatsapp group.
 

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Mine dumps are dangerous places know for sink holes and other toxic materials including cyanide and silicone dust. Disadvantaged communities set up shacks around and on these things. Take a drive along Wit Deep road just off of Main Reef. These are dangerous areas. You shouldn't be hanging around these places.

Here's what I don't understand. That red circle was a massive dump about 30 meters high back in 2003. They had literally built their shacks on the sides of this thing. Now it's just gone. That hole dump has vanished. Are the mining companies moving them?

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Nope.
The sand is being sold as building sand to, er, unsophisticated buyers, and people who don't mind having houses whose walls glow in the dark.
 
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