8 women raped by Basotho Nationals whilst shooting a music video in West Village mining dump.

[RonSwanson]

This is rubbish

Rape is an act of violence.

 

[RonSwanson]

Lol, I've been through this with you. You say the ANC killed those 20k odd. Not even your "book" makes that claim. And your "authoritative" book obviously ignores (more likely you quote mining) the fact that that violence was between the ANC and IFP. The apartheid police sponsored the IFP and fomented the conflict. Or do you expect that the apartheid secret police would have participated in the open, uniforms and all? Don't be naive, but you're not really naive just prejudiced and close minded. So, no apology for an apologist. Learn to look at info critically without bias.

Clearly you are the naive one. Join Newjourno AKA JuliusSeizure's whatsapp group,

 

[RonSwanson]

A lot of people refused to testify

...against ANC operatives. You must finish the sentence.

 

[My_King]

Wonder if these women are racist now or even xenophobic?

 

[zophas]

That's all we need now is another round of xenophobic attacks. It will plunge us even further down the toilet.

 

[Thugscub]

Methinks we could not go any deeper down the hole.

 

[R13...]

It is gospel as per TRC records.

Nonsense. The TRC assigned no such blame.

 

[NeonNinja]

They do. But I implore you to investigate this further. You'd be surprised.

Most crime. By a very high percentage is commited by South Africans to South Africans. I don't even need to show you stats for that.

 

[Cius]

Oh? Nonsense? Want the source? Here you go;-

Deaths due to political violence during apartheid:

Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 (Apartheid era) in South Africa and Namibia.

According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Cassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.

Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans — such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book’s detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, “Black on Black” violence – hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killings, and taxi and turf war violence.

The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures.

The security forces of the RSA caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against blacks (The AWB was allied with the IFP (Zulu)), but mainly due to “black-on-black necklace murders”, tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC’s military wings in shopping centres, landmines on farm roads, etc.

Apologies in order from you.

I strongly suspect deaths attributed to the police where very under-reported. I grew up in Eastern Transvaal. We had a domestic helper with a kid my age who I was close to. When we where about 4 or 5 the childs father was raising lobola to marry our domestic. One day the father was killed by police who had heard a rumour that he was involved in politics. His only crime. They tied him by rope to the back of a police van and dragged him along a dirt road until he died. This was the police who did this. Zero consequences, and I strongly suspect zero paperwork but probably a lot of slaps on the back by the other cops as that was what was happening back then. In any other country the duty of the police is to protect its citizens. Not torture them to death for daring to try have a political opinion. So take those stats with a grain of salt. They where probably formulated by people trying to minimize the horrors of apartheid that where very very real. I got to see the impact on my friend, and his mother who was like a second mom to me up close which was unusual back then as the cops where very good at keeping that stuff far away from the white population.

 

[RonSwanson]

Nonsense. The TRC assigned no such blame.

Strawman. The purpose of the TRC was to establish the truth, not to assign blame.

 

[RonSwanson]

The hypocrisy.

Malema in his "Kill for Zuma" days:

When a woman didn’t enjoy it, she leaves early in the morning. Those who had a nice time will wait until the sun comes out, request breakfast and ask for taxi money,

Malema today:

'They're not just rapists, but murderers' - Malema slams Krugersdorp rapes, rise in GBV cases | News24

EFF leader Julius Malema has labelled the men who raped and robbed eight women in Krugersdorp as not only rapists but 'murderers'.

www.news24.com

 

[R13...]

Strawman. The purpose of the TRC was to establish the truth, not to assign blame.

Well, then where do you and CD pull the info that the ANC was responsible for the death of the people who died from the violence of the 90s? You are probably just trolling though, that's your way.

 

[ForceFate]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553836210681962497

You missed one crucial part in that comment.

If we manage to deal with the scourge of illegal immigrants and drug manufacturers, more than half of our crime problems will disappear.

 

[My_King]

How can you say that. You don't know the ethnicity of the ladies.

No I don't. But they know who raped them.

 

[TheChamp]

How can you say that. You don't know the ethnicity of the ladies.

He is fishing for something, here's another one of his posts from another thread to show just determined he is.

Wonder if the 8 women that were raped still believe in their ANC.

 

[RonSwanson]

Well, then where do you and CD pull the info that the ANC was responsible for the death of the people who died from the violence of the 90s? You are probably just trolling though, that's your way.

Talking kak as usual. The ANC even tried to hide the publishing of the TRC's findings with an interdict because it reflected so badly on them.

Do your own googling, it is well published, there are many links on this forum as well. Waste your own time, not mine.

 

[konfab]

If there is a very valid critique of illegal immigrants in SA, it is the fact that they are a symptom of the complete lack of border security. Every measure that we have in SA to counter theft, like vehicle registration, microdots, FICA and so on are all undermined by transporting hot goods to another country.
In SA stolen property is difficult to fence because of those laws, so the property simply becomes an aid to more crime (using a stolen car to do crime is a huge advantage than using a taxi).

 

[Harold_Crick]

That is just tragic, I wonder if they are not from around there because someone should have known of the dangers of old mine dumps.

Hope the lowlifes gets what's coming to them.

True. Mining dumps are no-go zones.

A family friend was riding an off-road motorcycle through one and he was shot at.

Zama-Zamas are not welcoming folk.

 

[OhYeah84]

Government couldn't care less. It isn't Women's Month yet.

This will inflame the xenophobic attacks again though which is bad news.

 

[konfab]

Well, then where do you and CD pull the info that the ANC was responsible for the death of the people who died from the violence of the 90s? You are probably just trolling though, that's your way.

Anthea Jefferies from the IRR wrote an entire book on it. They instigated what they called a "people's war", and its job was to flatten any black competition to the ANC, such that when the ANC inevitably came to power they would have a supermajority.

If an all-race election had happened before they had intimidated all opposition to them, there very likely would have been NP/IFP coalitions that would have weakened the ANC's grasp over SA. Have a look at current KZN politics to see how this works, how many people get murdered over political positions.

https://irr.org.za/reports/books/copy_of_peoples-war-new-light-on-the-struggle-for-south-africa