8 women raped by Basotho Nationals whilst shooting a music video in West Village mining dump.

[rvZA]

True. Mining dumps are no-go zones.

A family friend was riding an off-road motorcycle through one and he was shot at.

Zama-Zamas are not welcoming folk.

Yes, they have seized these mining areas and it is their property. They are defending it by all means necessary. People know this and realize the dangers of trespassing on this ground.

 

[R13...]

Wonder if these women are racist now or even xenophobic?

Here's a free one for your bait: the scum raped all the models (all black) and left the model agency ladies (who are white). That what you were looking for?

 

[My_King]

Here's a free one for your bait: the scum raped all the models (all black) and left the model agency ladies (who are white). That what you were looking for?

Nope it does not fix the rape problem in South Efrica. Also it is not "bait".

Funny that we can say Men and boys need to do better. But we can't say anything more than that.

Start by looking at the stats, facts of the case.

 

[alanlesley]

why wasnt there any security there when they where shooting the music video

 

[R13...]

why wasnt there any security there when they where shooting the music video

An agency who pay their models R300 isn't going to be able to afford any sort of useful security even if they did have some.

 

[alanlesley]

An agency who pay their models R300 isn't going to be able to afford any sort of useful security even if they did have some.

**** that company and **** those people that raped these women, hope they are all held accountable.

 

[C4Cat]

You missed one crucial part in that comment.

I didn't miss it. Perhaps you'd like to provide the stats to backup your assertion. I've no doubt the drug war contributes immensely to the crime situation and dealing with drugs and gangsterism would go a long way to cutting down violent crime here. Even if you count the crime of simply being in the country illegally, I'm not convinced that illegal immigration contributes to more than half the crime problems we have in this country. Don't get me wrong, I do think we need to stop illegal immigration and secure our borders, I just don't think doing that will make more than half of our crime problems will disappear. As I understand it the majority of crime in South Africa are committed by South Africans.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Nonsense. The TRC assigned no such blame.

It's part of the record. Refer the HRC. Did you miss this part in bold:

Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 (Apartheid era) in South Africa and Namibia.

According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I strongly suspect deaths attributed to the police where very under-reported. I grew up in Eastern Transvaal. We had a domestic helper with a kid my age who I was close to. When we where about 4 or 5 the childs father was raising lobola to marry our domestic. One day the father was killed by police who had heard a rumour that he was involved in politics. His only crime. They tied him by rope to the back of a police van and dragged him along a dirt road until he died. This was the police who did this. Zero consequences, and I strongly suspect zero paperwork but probably a lot of slaps on the back by the other cops as that was what was happening back then. In any other country the duty of the police is to protect its citizens. Not torture them to death for daring to try have a political opinion. So take those stats with a grain of salt. They where probably formulated by people trying to minimize the horrors of apartheid that where very very real. I got to see the impact on my friend, and his mother who was like a second mom to me up close which was unusual back then as the cops where very good at keeping that stuff far away from the white population.

Anecdotal. How did they get a death certificate? And why didn't your family report it?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Well, then where do you and CD pull the info that the ANC was responsible for the death of the people who died from the violence of the 90s? You are probably just trolling though, that's your way.

I'll post it again:

Exactly how many SA blacks were killed under apartheid by apartheid forces? Let me help you with some TRC figures; -

As per the TRC.

Blacks killed by apartheid forces - State-sponsored killings during apartheid amounted to about 600-700.

Murders/political deaths in detention were about 75 in 40-odd years.

Blacks killed by the ANC - About 21 000 by various methods including stoning and necklacing.

Stop spreading the myth of millions killed by apartheid forces. The ANC's own TRC found this to be untrue. Unfortunately the media has not made this widely known and neither has the ANC.

 

[Phylax]

This is something you expect in a war zone. Not a democratic country during peace.

We are not a democratic country...

 

[konfab]

I didn't miss it. Perhaps you'd like to provide the stats to backup your assertion. I've no doubt the drug war contributes immensely to the crime situation and dealing with drugs and gangsterism would go a long way to cutting down violent crime here. Even if you count the crime of simply being in the country illegally, I'm not convinced that illegal immigration contributes to more than half the crime problems we have in this country. Don't get me wrong, I do think we need to stop illegal immigration and secure our borders, I just don't think doing that will make more than half of our crime problems will disappear. As I understand it the majority of crime in South Africa are committed by South Africans.

 

[R13...]

Blacks killed by the ANC - About 21 000 by various methods including stoning and necklacing.

I want to see a source for the above piece of BS. I don't dispute the numbers, I dispute you adding your commentary on what killed the 21k.

 

[berrypi]

how rape crimes by courts are not even given the harshest of sentences says allot.
Either way, every f%cking rapist needs to be hanged. There, said it. Human right violation?F$ck that ****.. .you wanna do crime, then face the consequence.

Far too many human rights activists around. Death penalty is not the answer, but is sure as h#ll is a good deterrent.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I want to see a source for the above piece of BS. I don't dispute the numbers, I dispute you adding your commentary on what killed the 21k.

Try the HRC. Or Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 (Apartheid era) in South Africa and Namibia.

 

[R13...]

Try the HRC. Or Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 (Apartheid era) in South Africa and Namibia.

For a guy who likes to hound others for sources of claims you sure are a giant hypocrite. Quote where the book says the ANC killed 21k.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

For a guy who likes to hound others for sources of claims you sure are a giant hypocrite. Quote where the book says the ANC killed 21k.

I gave you the source of my claims. What more do you want? Every death is documented in that book. The ANC killed about 21 000. Confirmed by the TRC and HRC.

Yet you still argue. Do you want me to post the entire book or TRC and HRC report here?

 

[CB40]

Financial institutions used to send their junior employees for week long training courses and book them into The Ambassador hotel in Pretoria street, and The Mark hotel in O'Reilly road, Berea, this was in 1988.

I spent many a good afternoon and night at those places

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I spent many a good afternoon and night at those places

Yep. All no go places now but there are those that will defend the decline of SA into barbarity.

 

[RonSwanson]

Yep. All no go places now but there are those that will defend the decline of SA into barbarity.

Downtown Johannesburg is even worse, literally like Mogadishu. Not even Accra or Lagos comes close.