8 women raped by Basotho Nationals whilst shooting a music video in West Village mining dump.

[RonSwanson]

It’s a thumb suck.

The reason the country is the way it is crime wise has to do with multiple things issues.
1. Unemployment
2. Recreational drugs
3. Immigration

Immigration of criminals​

Immigration of people who become desperate and turn to criminality​

4 there are professional criminals that neither of the above will solve.

We need to ask ourselves beyond political parties, how does a country without borders actively curb criminal syndicates? The fact that I can take you out of this country against your will beyond our police and military jurisdiction is a big problem.

Bollocks.
The reason the country is the way it is crime wise is because the ANC have hollowed out all institutions who play a role in investigating and punishing crime. They have even redefined crime to suit their objectives.

 

[nightjar]

Seriously? What self respecting cadre has time to profit share the Zama Zama peanuts? What's wrong with a lucrative tender from one of the many SOEs or one for building a dodgy stadium in Enoch Mgijima municipality?

RE - share the Zama Zama peanuts.....

With this sort of loot we can be sure that the comrades are into it like pigs into $h1t.

The Minerals Council of South Africa and police have identified a five-tier hierarchy in the illegal and unregulated gold mining industry. Illegal miners are on the bottom tier. Gangs and illegal mining bosses, licensed bulk buyers (scrap metal dealers and pawn brokers) at national or regional level, front company exporters, and international intermediary buyers and companies are the more significant criminal actors.
The Institute of Security Studies estimates that the approximately 30,000 illegal miners produce R14 billion (just over US$8 million) worth of gold per annum. From the state’s perspective this is “lost production”. The United Arab Emirates and Switzerland have been identified as the primary export destinations. (Moneyweb, 7 August 2022)

Considering that the illegal miners have been in the mines for many years, I wonder if they are protected by the PIE act which was designed, and later confirmed by courts, as an attack on property owners so that, when a building or property is hijacked by criminals the owner loses his right to possession until after a long and often prohibitively expensive legal process which includes providing alternative accommodation for the invaders.

 

[winner]

ANC is the reason you are looking for.

Bollocks.
The reason the country is the way it is crime wise is because the ANC have hollowed out all institutions who play a role in investigating and punishing crime. They have even redefined crime to suit their objectives.

But those reasons are not mutually exclusive. Actually all of them can be blamed directly on ANC.

You can’t police crime in a country where 70% of the population can barely get by. This is why people who stay in high end estates hardly worry about their neighbours breaking into their houses.

Most of us will switch off our morality when we don’t have food. That’s a basic human instinct

 

[Vrotappel]

But those reasons are not mutually exclusive. Actually all of them can be blamed directly on ANC.

You can’t police crime in a country where 70% of the population can barely get by. This is why people who stay in high end estates hardly worry about their neighbours breaking into their houses.

Most of us will switch off our morality when we don’t have food. That’s a basic human instinct

Not true. It's a cultural thing.

Poverty and Violent Crime Don’t Go Hand in Hand | City Journal

New data on Asian-Americans in New York City undercut a common assumption.

www.city-journal.org

 

[RonSwanson]

You can’t police crime in a country where 70% of the population can barely get by.

What prevents it?

This is why people who stay in high end estates hardly worry about their neighbours breaking into their houses.

And you speak for them? All of them?

Most of us will switch off our morality when we don’t have food.

Poverty does not equate to low morality, and wealth never high morality. If anything it's the other way around.

 

[TheChamp]

15 more undocumented residents arrested near Randfontein mine dump

This brings the total number of people who have been handcuffed since Monday to 57.

ewn.co.za

 

[winner]

Not true. It's a cultural thing.

Poverty and Violent Crime Don’t Go Hand in Hand | City Journal

New data on Asian-Americans in New York City undercut a common assumption.

www.city-journal.org

But your article doesn’t dispute what I said, it says race is also a factor based on studies in USA. It’s possible for race AND economic status to be factors. It’s possible that what was observed in USA is not even remotely comparable to ours.

In South African urban areas, poorer areas tend to produce more criminals than affluent areas. Atleast when it comes to violent crimes. You are more likely to end up a criminal growing up in Soweto vs Sandhust.

This doesn’t always apply to rural areas as they still maintain a certain degree of cultural values. Where do I get this info? Anecdotal having lived in townships , rural areas and suburbs each for minimum of 8yrs in 4 different cities.

 

[winner]

Not true. It's a cultural thing.

Poverty and Violent Crime Don’t Go Hand in Hand | City Journal

New data on Asian-Americans in New York City undercut a common assumption.

www.city-journal.org

But your article doesn’t dispute what I said, it says race is also a factor based on studies in USA. It’s possible for race AND economic status to be factors. It’s possible that what was observed in USA is not even remotely comparable to ours.

In South African urban areas, poorer areas tend to produce more criminals than affluent areas. Atleast when it comes to violent crimes. You are more likely to end up a criminal growing up in Soweto vs Sandhust.

This doesn’t always apply to rural areas as they still maintain a certain degree of cultural values. Where do I get this info? Anecdotal having lived in townships , rural areas and suburbs each for minimum of 8yrs in 4 different cities.

 

[RonSwanson]

But your article doesn’t dispute what I said, it says race is also a factor based on studies in USA. It’s possible for race AND economic status to be factors. It’s possible that what was observed in USA is not even remotely comparable to ours.

In South African urban areas, poorer areas tend to produce more criminals than affluent areas. Atleast when it comes to violent crimes. You are more likely to end up a criminal growing up in Soweto vs Sandhust.

This doesn’t always apply to rural areas as they still maintain a certain degree of cultural values. Where do I get this info? Anecdotal having lived in townships , rural areas and suburbs each for minimum of 8yrs in 4 different cities.

Once again, you are using false equivalence, which doesn't give your anecdote-based experience any credibility. You are trying to use poverty and race as an unjustified excuse for wrongdoing, and also making it appear to be unavoidable and commonplace, which is whataboutism.

Clearly having lived in townships, rural areas and suburbs makes you neither an expert in sociology nor one in criminology. There are many, many criminals, of all socioeconomic statuses. Just because they wear Armani suits, drive British sportscars and can afford lawyers does not make their actions any less criminal. What you ultimately seem to be driving at is to excuse people's criminal actions based on their race and LSM bracket. I disagree, there is one law for all, no matter who you think you are, or whoever's struggle-hero child you may be.

 

[RonSwanson]

15 more undocumented residents arrested near Randfontein mine dump

This brings the total number of people who have been handcuffed since Monday to 57.

ewn.co.za

/yawn

Yeah, yeah, more suspects. We get the point. How about moving the (over 10 year late) operation a little towards the east?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1557048322203975680

And then punishing the big fsckrs too, the Zumas, Guptas and other cnuts who carried diplomatic bags full of the stuff through airport security to the UAE. Over 34 tons over 4 years.

Once laundered, gold is exported, primarily to the UAE, and to a lesser extent, to India and China. Though South Africa declared no doré exports between 2007 and 2017, UAE import data shows that more than 34 tonnes arrived from South Africa between 2012 and 2016. This gold was probably exported legally after being processed by small refineries in Gauteng.

GLOBAL INITIATIVE AGAINST TRANSNATIONAL ORGANIZED CRIME OP-ED: Zama zamas just one part of a multibillion-rand organised crime economy that threatens SA

Organised crime — of which illegal mining is an integral part — is an existential threat, inflicting a devastating toll on the political, economic and social fabric of South Africa, from central government to rural municipalities, and from the JSE to the spaza shop.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

 

[dualmeister]

/yawn

Yeah, yeah, more suspects. We get the point. How about moving the (over 10 year late) operation a little towards the east?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1557048322203975680

And then punishing the big fsckrs too, the Zumas, Guptas and other cnuts who carried diplomatic bags full of the stuff through airport security to the UAE. Over 34 tons over 4 years.

GLOBAL INITIATIVE AGAINST TRANSNATIONAL ORGANIZED CRIME OP-ED: Zama zamas just one part of a multibillion-rand organised crime economy that threatens SA

Organised crime — of which illegal mining is an integral part — is an existential threat, inflicting a devastating toll on the political, economic and social fabric of South Africa, from central government to rural municipalities, and from the JSE to the spaza shop.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

It's not like they are hard to find.

Round the ****ers up and throw them out of the Country (with their arms and legs broken).

 

[AntennaMan]

It's not like they are hard to find.

Round the ****ers up and throw them out of the Country (with their arms and legs broken).

Or use them to fill the old mineshafts....

 

[dualmeister]

Unfortunately the Government has allowed the situation to get to this point

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Unfortunately the Government has allowed the situation to get to this point

Exactly. The activities have been known for more than a decade. But protection money to politicians and police has staved off any action. Now big mouth Cele jumps onto a PR stunt instead of locking up the cops and politicians who were on the take.

 

[mojoman]

Exactly. The activities have been known for more than a decade. But protection money to politicians and police has staved off any action. Now big mouth Cele jumps onto a PR stunt instead of locking up the cops and politicians who were on the take.

Aah....The secrets this one must know about his cANCerous brothers and sisters......
No other reason he could still have his job...

 

[LCBXX]

Unfortunately the Government has allowed the situation to get to this point

This.
I'm of the view that the corruption at our land borders is of such a established nature that enabling ANC Government Officials will violently defend it.

 

[dualmeister]

big mouth Cele jumps onto a PR stunt

The fact that he is still the Minister of Police speaks volumes as well.

1.) The Government is not serious about crime.
2.) He has too much dirt on the Ministers to just go "gently into the night"

 

[LCBXX]

Exactly. The activities have been known for more than a decade. But protection money to politicians and police has staved off any action. Now big mouth Cele jumps onto a PR stunt instead of locking up the cops and politicians who were on the take.

I've you've witnessed how our esteemed Journalists go all giddy when in the presence of ANC & EFF politicians, it shouldn't come as a surprise. They're captured.

 

[R13...]

Looks like they managed to tie 7 of the 80 to the rapes.

Seven suspected illegal miners arrested during raids in Krugersdorp charged with rape

Seven suspects who were arrested in police operations following the gang rape of eight women in Krugersdorp, west of Johannesburg, have been charged with rape.
The men were among 80 people arrested during raids launched after eight women were raped in West Village over two weeks ago.
Initially, the seven accused only faced a charge related to being in the country illegally, but they now face additional charges, including multiple counts of rape, and robbery with aggravated circumstances.
- Iavan Pijoos

 

[TheChamp]

Looks like they managed to tie 7 of the 80 to the rapes.

It sounds like it was done through an identity parade instead of forensic evidence? Hopefully there will be more investigations uncovering more evidence.