8 women raped by Basotho Nationals whilst shooting a music video in West Village mining dump.

Nerfherder

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How is it cultural then? What part of the culture encourages crime?
I find when some people use the "c" word they actually mean the "r" word.
Its the same kind of person who thinks that "black culture" is a single homogenous entity.

@Vrotappel it hasn't even been established which culture the perpetrators are so not sure how you are making assumptions about their culture ?

*EDIT* to direct question at correct person
 
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RonSwanson

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Your poor understanding of statistics is even worse. There are multiple studies that prove the prediction to commiting certain crimes.
1. Single parenthood
2. Abuse as a child
3. Poor socioeconomic status
4. Genetics
5. Malnutrition

i can look up studies for each and every one of these if you want.

This however doesn’t excuse crime by anyone falling under these things. But as government trying to combat crime, you can’t ignore these as a way of addressing crime.
Correlation does not imply causation, although I will agree on single parenthood as an important factor. The breakup of the family unit is well known to create criminals out of offspring, and the ANC has contributed plentifully towards this with many of their leftist poicies. But we are getting off track.

What we do agree on though is that the law should be equitably and fairly applied, so we are getting somewhere.

In a society where there are predictable and well defined consequences for actions, businesses will flourish, the economy can grow, which results in less poverty and better socio-economic conditions for all. So to my point, the ANC have, through their policies of BEE , AA, legislative meddling, draconian labour laws and support of unions, created an environment where businesses are stifled and cannot flourish. And to top it, they have captured and hollowed out the security agencies and judiciary, allowing for inequitable application of the law, if any at all. No wonder we have record levels of crime.
 

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I find when some people use the "c" word they actually mean the "r" word.
Its the same kind of person who thinks that "black culture" is a single homogenous entity.

@RonSwanson it hasn't even been established which culture the perpetrators are so not sure how you are making assumptions about their culture ?
Not sure what you are on about. Culture? Please quote my post where I used that word?
 

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Who said that? Confusing me with someone else?

The first gentleman said it's cultural, the other gentleman replied, you replied to the gentleman that was addressing the cultural part of the argument
 

RonSwanson

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The first gentleman said it's cultural, the other gentleman replied, you replied to the gentleman that was addressing the cultural part of the argument
I never used the word "culture" in any way, or even implied its use, so I cannot answer your question.

You're trying to put words in my mouth whilst I am trying to eat bacon. Bad form.
 

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I never used the word "culture" in any way, or even implied its use, so I cannot answer your question.

You're trying to put words in my mouth whilst I am trying to eat bacon. Bad form.

Guy 1: It's cultural
Guy 2: It's not cultural, it's based on other factors
Ron replying to Guy 2: You can't use those reasons

I assumed that you took an issue with Guy 2's argument instead of Guy 1's argument, which is why I asked you the question? Thank you for correcting me.
 

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Guy 1: It's cultural
Guy 2: It's not cultural, it's based on other factors
Ron replying to Guy 2: You can't use those reasons

I assumed that you took an issue with Guy 2's argument instead of Guy 1's argument, which is why I asked you the question? Thank you for correcting me.
Those were kak reasons. The fact that I pointed it out, and gave the real reasons doesn't mean I support someone else's previous reasons or argument.
 

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So basically Cele says the police are useless.

Im not going to read the article BUT i'm going to wager that somewhere he will be blaming or asking for assistance from businesses?

Lol..I couldnt help myself so I read it..:laugh:
So predictable...
 

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Your poor understanding of statistics is even worse. There are multiple studies that prove the prediction to commiting certain crimes.
1. Single parenthood
2. Abuse as a child
3. Poor socioeconomic status
4. Genetics
5. Malnutrition

i can look up studies for each and every one of these if you want.

This however doesn’t excuse crime by anyone falling under these things. But as government trying to combat crime, you can’t ignore these as a way of addressing crime.

Nevermind good old lead/diesel poisoning growing up while your mom is standing with you on a street corner...
 

Vrotappel

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I find when some people use the "c" word they actually mean the "r" word.
Its the same kind of person who thinks that "black culture" is a single homogenous entity.

@Vrotappel it hasn't even been established which culture the perpetrators are so not sure how you are making assumptions about their culture ?

*EDIT* to direct question at correct person

Just google. Traditional culture is a huge problem in SA.


The first example used will be the importance of traditional cultures present in South African society and the patriarchal systems which they establish. This has been made particularly relevant in contemporary South Africa due to the 2005/2006 rape trial of (then, Vice-) President Jacob Zuma.

Prior to colonisation, South Africa was made up of many tribal cultures such as Swazi and Zulu. However, it appears contemporary South Africa is made up of a ‘patchwork of patriarchies’- women being subordinate in the majority of Southern African societies, subject to their chiefs or heads of the family (Bozzoli 1983, 149). Whilst many cultures have helped to make up contemporary South African society, this section will focus specifically on Zulu culture due to the 2005/2006 Zuma rape trial in which he used his Zulu culture as a significant part of his defence. Moreover, Zulu cultural traditions still hold influence, particularly in isolated rural areas, such in the KwaZulu-Natal province where government services are less effective than in urban areas.
 

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Im not going to read the article BUT i'm going to wager that somewhere he will be blaming or asking for assistance from businesses?

Lol..I couldnt help myself so I read it..:laugh:
So predictable...
No he just needs more money to throw at the problem.
 
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