8 women raped by Basotho Nationals whilst shooting a music video in West Village mining dump.

[My_King]

My Efricaaaan dream, there is no hope for tomorrow

 

[Fulcrum29]

So not surprised by this to be honest.

Yes, and it is tragic. To think the police in the hat had so much to add...

 

[sand_man]

Failed state

 

[RedViking]

Justice system is completely broken and utterly hopeless.

 

[Fulcrum29]

This is the signal that Bheki Cele must go. He has been given one too many chances.

 

[rvZA]

Well, if there are no evidence, then there are no evidence. Correct decision under the circumstances.

 

[wingnut771]

Well, if there are no evidence, then there are no evidence. Correct decision under the circumstances.

Why were they arrested then?

 

[rvZA]

This is the signal that Bheki Cele must go. He has been given one too many chances.

Just out of interest, why?

I do not see any mention that the police messed up the investigations. From what I have read and heard this far the DNA came back with negative matches to the people in front of courts.

Should he go because he did not pull their dicks and get semen on the test kits before sending it for DNA analysis? Because, everything else I would say the police did pretty much what was expected from them.

 

[rvZA]

Why were they arrested then?

They were suspects. There is no law saying the police cannot arrest you without evidence. If they suspect you to be involved in a crime, they can arrest and detain you, investigate the matter and if no evidence is found you can be released.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Well, if there are no evidence, then there are no evidence. Correct decision under the circumstances.

True, but to quote Cele,

Minister Cele visits families of Krugersdorp rape victims - SABC News - Breaking news, special reports, world, business, sport coverage of all South African current events. Africa's news leader.

Police say they will prioritise investigations relating to the Krugersdorp mass rapes. Minister Bheki Cele met with families of the eight rape survivors at the Alexandra Police Station on Sunday.

www.sabcnews.com

The Minister said they will speed up DNA testing in a bid to identify the exact perpetrators in the rape incident.

“We need the real perpetrators among those people. The evidence that has been collected, biological evidence as I have said, will have to help us to link the real perpetrators. Some as collected are foreign nationals yes. But we need these perpetrators,” he says.

84 suspects have been arrested. Some are believed to be linked to the attack. Majority of them are likely to face charges related to illegal mining, possession of explosives, contravention of the immigration act as well as the illegal possession of firearms and ammunition.

and to remind him that the evidence they have collected, the biological evidence, didn't link those arrested to the crime, hence the perpetrators are still on the loose. Too much time has passed, and the intelligence has worn thin.

This is not a good week, come to SA policing excellence.

 

[rvZA]

True, but to quote Cele,

Minister Cele visits families of Krugersdorp rape victims - SABC News - Breaking news, special reports, world, business, sport coverage of all South African current events. Africa's news leader.

Police say they will prioritise investigations relating to the Krugersdorp mass rapes. Minister Bheki Cele met with families of the eight rape survivors at the Alexandra Police Station on Sunday.

www.sabcnews.com

and to remind him that the evidence they have collected, the biological evidence, didn't link those arrested to the crime, hence the perpetrators are still on the loose. Too much time has passed, and the intelligence has worn thin.

This is not a good week, come to SA policing excellence.

I hate defending the man, but in this instance, he did not lie. The guys at forensics in Pretoria did do the analysis reasonably fast, considering that most of the times, DNA results may take 1-2 years before it reaches the court. So, as per his promise, it was indeed sped up.

He also said:

We need the real perpetrators among those people

will have to help us to link the real perpetrators

So, he knew not all of them may have raped anyone and needed the DNA evidence to prove who was guilty among them.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Just out of interest, why?

I do not see any mention that the police messed up the investigations. From what I have read and heard this far the DNA came back with negative matches to the people in front of courts.

Should he go because he did not pull their dicks and get semen on the test kits before sending it for DNA analysis? Because, everything else I would say the police did pretty much what was expected from them.

The police had no suspects in custody who could be linked to the DNA evidence gathered. This in the run-up to a very badly handled situation by Bheki Cele. The police conducted an operation in which stolen items were recovered, and still couldn't establish probable suspects as the case is now. In the court, the case was postponed to await the DNA results, even though not a single suspect was keyed in the identity parade*. This would mean that the police would have to discover more suspects than to wait on DNA results.

For now, the alleged suspects will remain in custody, being in contravention with the Immigrations Act, and will be heard on November 1st.

Then there is Truter's involvement,

Former warrant officer arrested in Krugersdorp gang rapes case | News24

The former police officer has been charged with theft and defeating the ends of justice after items belonging to one of the women were found in her possession.

www.news24.com

Former warrant officer arrested in Krugersdorp gang rapes case​

The former police officer, Dolphina Truter, 49, was used by the music video crew to scout locations in the area. She recommended Cowboy Town and assured them the nearby mine dump was safe to work at.

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Truter was charged with theft and defeating the ends of justice.

"It was discovered by the investigating officer that the woman had in her possession property that belongs to one of the victims of rape," said Muridili.

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At the shoot, Truter was with her son and daughter.

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Ray and the producer previously told News24 that Truter was placed in a car by the criminals and stayed there during the attack.

When the men finally finished the attack, Truter drove in convoy, leading the whole film crew to the police station to report the crime.

Truter is expected to join the 14 men, accused of the attack, in the dock on 28 November.

The case against the men was postponed for DNA testing.

and she's in trouble being caught with a victim's stolen property, the NPA could argue complicity. The police have more time to conclude their investigation with the matter resuming on November 28, but I don't expect new suspects with the time which has lapsed.

*Regarding the identity parade,

Krugersdorp gang rapes: DNA did not link all 14 accused to the rapes - NPA | News24

The National Prosecuting Authority has withdrawn rape charges against 14 men arrested after the Krugersdorp attack that saw eight women gang raped in July.

www.news24.com

During the parade, said Mjonondwane, three of the victims pointed out the men as their attackers. The other five could not identify anyone.

DNA from the men identified by the victims was taken to determine if they could be linked to the rapes.

"We decided to enrol the matter in court as we were confident that we had a prima facie case [against the men] and all that we had to do was wait for the DNA results."

According to Mjonondwane, the results did not link any of the 14 accused to the rapes.

The NPA met with the victims, who said they may have been mistaken during the identity parade.

"We can't really blame them because they were traumatised and scared at the time because they had just been raped. We understand the state they were in," said Mjonondwane.

"We are back to square one and are still investigating, looking for the suspects," she said.

They are back to square one all right, but the problem was the NPA being convinced that they had a Prima Facie case when they did not. The same happened in the Brendin Horner case. First impressions are not enough, and you are in the view that they did pretty much as expected. They had an enormous scope, and they went with the least. They better pull up their socks to produce new suspects in 4 weeks time, but they will settle with Truter.

 

[mojoman]

This is the signal that Bheki Cele must go. He has been given one too many chances.

Every single second that passes we get deeper in the criminal kak thanks to this superbly qualified 'teacher...
May his rapid response wheelbarrow forever squeak...

 

[wingnut771]

They were suspects. There is no law saying the police cannot arrest you without evidence. If they suspect you to be involved in a crime, they can arrest and detain you, investigate the matter and if no evidence is found you can be released.

How long can they detain you?

 

[rvZA]

How long can they detain you?

They can detain you 48 hours before having to bring you to court. They can then ask for a 7-day postponement to finish investigations to prepare for a formal bail application. After 7 days there will be a bail application in court and if they have sufficient grounds, they can be denied bail and remain in custody until the trial is completed, which could take many years.

 

[TheChamp]

19 zama zamas found dead, after suspected accident in illegal mine

No foul play is suspected at this stage.

www.timeslive.co.za

 

[rvZA]

19 zama zamas found dead, after suspected accident in illegal mine

No foul play is suspected at this stage.

www.timeslive.co.za

Even with all the police operations, arrests and investigations, it seems these guys cannot be stopped. Just too many of them operating in old mines.

 

[mojoman]

Even with all the police operations, arrests and investigations, it seems these guys cannot be stopped. Just too many of them operating in old mines.

Would be great training for the army though..

 

[Pudding McTwinkle]

Would be great training for the army though..

But all those losers just paid to get into the police academy... Surely this is a good oppertunity for them to showcase their newly acquired skillzzzzzz...

 

[mojoman]

But all those losers just paid to get into the police academy... Surely this is a good oppertunity for them to showcase their newly acquired skillzzzzzz...

Ag, quite simply there is no hard line on crime here....From presidents to zama zamas...