9 US states declare sovereignty

[DigitalSoldier]

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/189357

9+ States have now declared sovereignty, now add Washington to the list.


Arizona State Legislature for formulating a bill that declares their state sovereignty. That same bill further details their right during martial law to call back servicemen to protect the state:

"…if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state … individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected…"


In case you didn't hear about it on the mainstream media (which you haven't because they want to keep us asleep), numerous states are currently declaring or have already declared sovereignty, including:

Washington
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009

New Hampshire
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html

Arizona
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

Montana
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

Michigan
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2009-HCR-0004

Missouri
http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM

Oklahoma
http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/state-legislator-charles-key-wants-to-limit-federal-power

California
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sjr_44_bill_940829_chaptered

Georgia
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1995_96/leg/fulltext/sr308.htm

Possibly: Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Montana, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, Illinois.

"The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified." — United States v. Sprague, 282 U.S. 716, 733 (1931).

http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/9-states-declare-sovereignty

 

[Pitbull]

WTF is happening in the USA ?

 

[PCW]

I'm not really sure what this is about but each state has its own laws and legal system. A 14 year old can be served beer in Winsconsin for example provided the parents are present and give consent yet all other states to my knowledge its 21. I don't think for one second the US is splitting apart. I've been to the US a few times and they wrap themselves in the flag whichever state you're in.

 

[coolio24]

Why is it not anywhere near the mainstream media - sounds fishy

 

[Pitbull]

I'm not really sure what this is about but each state has its own laws and legal system. A 14 year old can be served beer in Winsconsin for example provided the parents are present and give consent yet all other states to my knowledge its 21. I don't think for one second the US is splitting apart. I've been to the US a few times and they wrap themselves in the flag whichever state you're in.

Not as I understand it, being delcared state sovereignty means that state will be free from the current laws and President of the USA and will have their own elected. Or am I wrong ? This was what USA was like before the American war they had fighting their own people way back in the day.

I might just be confused though.

 

[LazyLion]

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88218

NEW YORK – As the Obama administration attempts to push through Congress a nearly $1 trillion deficit spending plan that is weighted heavily toward advancing typically Democratic-supported social welfare programs, a rebellion against the growing dominance of federal control is beginning to spread at the state level.

So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.

Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania.

"What we are trying to do is to get the U.S. Congress out of the state's business," Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon told WND.

"Congress is completely out of line spending trillions of dollars over the last 10 years putting the nation into a debt crisis like we've never seen before," Brogdon said, arguing that the Obama stimulus plan is the last straw taxing state patience in the brewing sovereignty dispute.

"This particular 111th Congress is the biggest bunch of over-reachers and underachievers we've ever had in Congress," he said.

"A sixth-grader should realize you can't borrow money to pay off your debt, and that is the Obama administration's answer for a stimulus package," he added.

The Ninth Amendment reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

The Tenth Amendment specifically provides, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Brogdon, the lead sponsor of the Oklahoma state senate version of the sovereignty bill, has been a strong opponent of extending the plan to build a four-football-fields-wide Trans-Texas Corridor parallel to Interstate-35 to Oklahoma, as WND reported.

Rollback federal authority

The various sovereignty measures moving through state legislatures are designed to reassert state authority through a rollback of federal authority under the powers enumerated in the Constitution, with the states assuming the governance of the non-enumerated powers, as required by the Tenth Amendment.

The state sovereignty measures, aimed largely at the perceived fiscal irresponsibility of Congress in the administrations of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, have gained momentum with the $1 trillion deficit-spending economic stimulus package the Obama administration is currently pushing through Congress.

Particularly disturbing to many state legislators are the increasing number of "unfunded mandates" that have proliferated in social welfare programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid, in which bills passed by Congress dictate policy to the states without providing funding.

In addition, the various state resolutions include discussion of a wide range of policy areas, including the regulation of firearms sales (Montana) and the demand to issue drivers licenses with technology to embed personal information under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and the Real ID Act (Michigan).

Hawaii's measure calls for a new state constitutional convention to return self-governance, a complaint that traces back to the days it was a U.S. territory, prior to achieving statehood in 1959.

"We are trying to send a message to the federal government that the states are trying to reclaim their sovereignty," Republican Rep. Matt Shea, the lead sponsor of Washington's sovereignty resolution told WND.

"State sovereignty has been eroded in so many areas, it's hard to know where to start," he said. "There are a ton of federal mandates imposed on states, for instance, on education spending and welfare spending."

Shea said the Obama administration's economic stimulus package moving through Congress is a "perfect example."

"In the state of Washington, we have increased state spending 33 percent in the last three years and hired 6,000 new state employees, often using federal mandates as an excuse to grow state government," he said. "We need to return government back down to the people, to keep government as close to the local people as possible."

Shea is a private attorney who serves with the Alliance Defense Fund, a nationwide network of about 1,000 attorneys who work pro-bono. As a counter to the ACLU, the alliance seeks to protect and defend religious liberty, the sanctity of life and traditional family values.

Republican state Rep. Judy Burges, the primary sponsor of the sovereignty resolution in the Arizona House, told WND the federal government "has been trouncing on our constitutional rights."

"The real turning point for me was the Real ID act, which involved both a violation of the Fourth Amendments rights against the illegal searches and seizures and the Tenth Amendment," she said.

Burges told WND she is concerned that the overreaching of federal powers could lead to new legislation aimed at confiscating weapons from citizens or encoding ammunition.

"The Real ID Act was so broadly written that we are afraid that it involves the potential for "mission-creep," that could easily involve confiscation of firearms and violations of the Second Amendment," she said.

Burges said she has been surprised at the number of e-mails she has received in support of the sovereignty measure.

"We are a sovereign state in Arizona, not a branch of the federal government, and we need to be treated as such, she insisted.

More articles...

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2009/02/05/183354.php

http://www.nolanchart.com/article5946.html

I think it is a good thing... but good luck to them!

 

[CHURCHILL]

Not as I understand it, being delcared state sovereignty means that state will be free from the current laws and President of the USA and will have their own elected. Or am I wrong ? This was what USA was like before the American war they had fighting their own people way back in the day.

I might just be confused though.

North vs South

 

[LazyLion]

The United States was formed when the colonies rebelled against the King. They thought he was trying to control them too much (he was taxing the stuffing out of them). so they formed a new government in which States rights would be paramount. There would be a federal government but it's main duty was simply defense.

Fast forward 200 or so years and you have a federal government which has become a huge ugly monster... doing exactly what the colonies rebelled against in 1776.

Instead of handling the defense of the nation, they are now trying to tell the states what they can and cannot do with their money... and sucking the states into huge federal debt and uncontrolled spending... (thanks to the democrats mostly... but some of the Republicans are also to blame).

These states now want to go back to 1776. The Federal government should just handle the common defense of the Union... and the states will handle everything else.

 

[hj2k_x]

Interesting times...Are there any other countries in the world with this kind of structure? I assume it's not the same as England, Wales, N. Ireland and Scotland forming the UK?

 

[Hellbilly Deluxe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily

 

[Pitbull]

The United States was formed when the colonies rebelled against the King. They thought he was trying to control them too much (he was taxing the stuffing out of them). so they formed a new government in which States rights would be paramount. There would be a federal government but it's main duty was simply defense.

Fast forward 200 or so years and you have a federal government which has become a huge ugly monster... doing exactly what the colonies rebelled against in 1776.

Instead of handling the defense of the nation, they are now trying to tell the states what they can and cannot do with their money... and sucking the states into huge federal debt and uncontrolled spending... (thanks to the democrats mostly... but some of the Republicans are also to blame).

These states now want to go back to 1776. The Federal government should just handle the common defense of the Union... and the states will handle everything else.

This will surely devide the US in 2 again.

Actually it's not such a bad thing tbh.

 

[Hellbilly Deluxe]

bunch of crackpots there is now way in a million years you could keep seomthing like this secret

 

[Pitbull]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily

Did you actually read the other non related links ?

 

[LazyLion]

Interesting times...Are there any other countries in the world with this kind of structure? I assume it's not the same as England, Wales, N. Ireland and Scotland forming the UK?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalism

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/203491/federalism

Countries like India, Canada, Brazil and Australia.

 

[LazyLion]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily

Ja, I thought that people would be mature enough to read all the links and find the common information, rather than picking on one source for their background which is actually completely unrelated to the topic at hand... but you always get one....

 

[Pitbull]

So where will all of this leave Obama ? President of one State or what ?

 

[LazyLion]

This will surely devide the US in 2 again.

Actually it's not such a bad thing tbh.

ja... I also think so...

when you start looking at just how many Federal departments there are...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_executive_departments

http://dir.yahoo.com/Government/U_S__Government/Executive_Branch/Departments_and_Agencies/

not to mention sub-departments... it actually becomes quite scary.

They could easily get rid of two-thirds of those departments and just let the states handle those issues. That would save them a ton of money.

 

[LazyLion]

So where will all of this leave Obama ? President of one State or what ?

No, the office of the President is not affected in any way... just what his responsibilities are. Basically they are saying to him... stick to your business (defense) and we will stick to ours. They want him to cut back on federal spending and downscale the huge federal monster. But Obama is a democrat... and democrats by their very nature want to give lots of money to the poor unwed mothers who have eight kids and several boyfriends, two of whom are in prison.

Democrats = spend money on welfare
Republicans = spend money on wars

 

[Arthur]

Actually, there's nothing really new here. Most (US) states have Acts of Accession (to the Union) that preserve the states' independent rights in most areas other than common defence, also to secession. Since WW2 we've seen a massive bloating of the Federal Government and huge intrusions into States' rights, and now some are simply kicking back and reaffirming their independence from the Federal Government.

Contrary to 20thC PC history, the Civil War was really fought over the issue of States' rights to secede from the Union.

Under the current leviathan federal regime, I for one would like to see lots of states secede from the Union and get out from under the national government.

 

[Phenom]

UnUSA?

is this really true?

yes, it may certainly save some tones of dept, and then load all of the dept onto the shoulders of a few. What will happen to the few? EU?


I think that there is a russian guy who predicted this, he has also predicted the USSR.

But question remains here, is this complete or just hype?

pc problems