A basic income grant for South Africa: more money in poor people's pockets, but at a heavy cost

[Cosmik Debris]

 

[MilitantNightElf]

No wonder most people don't realise, because that's a load of rubbish and made up facts, is your other name rvZA by any chance?

Yes, our government is chock and block filled with hard-working black people. Try getting anything done at home affairs lately? How was the experience for you? How many hard-working black people did you meet there? Honest question. Feel free to replace Home Affairs with any other government organization that supposedly exists to provide a service.

My experience of black people's work ethic is not secondhand experience or born out of prejudice. It is created by what I see at Home Affairs. What I saw in the years before the opposition took over my local municipality. It is also born out of how many black women give me attitude when I ask them to do their job. How many black women with 60-inch waists ask me for money for food?

Now granted I am more than willing to acknowledge that there is entitlement and laziness in white people as well I can assure you the fact that I started working menial hard-labor jobs when I was 18 and my parents allowed my sister to study for 12 years is something I have had a lot to say about. The amount of entitled white bitches in this country truly astounds and disgusts me.

Our main problem in this country is the attitude problem so many South Africans have. You are only entitled to a rand if you worked for it. Simple end of the story. Universal truth loads of South Africans struggle to come to grips with.

At least the black people who don't realise this were fed the lie of free money by a government that they thought would care for them but actually don't give a ****. The fact that I have cousins that traded life as a CA in to become a trophy wife on a wine farm is incredible to me. White people with lives of leisure disgust me the most, for what little that is worth.

 

[surface]

A broad generalization. These people? Suggest you take a very early morning drive and see how many people are walking to work. One mans lazy is another mans slow pace of life. "Live and let live"

Hey, do you know who you are talking to ? Mind your tongue. He is a renowned pharmacist (pretends to be a doctor) who all the blacks prefer instead of going to black doctors. And he is a person of color so you better believe him.

 

[RiaX]

A broad generalization. These people? Suggest you take a very early morning drive and see how many people are walking to work. One mans lazy is another mans slow pace of life. "Live and let live"

I have and I've also served the poorest of the country. The same ones you think are "liberated" with their freedoms and are actually worse off.

 

[TheChamp]

I have and I've also served the poorest of the country. The same ones you think are "liberated" with their freedoms and are actually worse off.

Every time there are some job opportunities millions of unemployed people apply for the jobs, last time the teacher assistant jobs were open close to 3m applications were received for just under 300 000 jobs, how does that gel with your assertion that people are not interested in jobs and wanting everything for free?

 

[RiaX]

Every time there are some job opportunities millions of unemployed people apply for the jobs, last time the teacher assistant jobs were open close to 3m applications were received for just under 300 000 jobs, how does that gel with your assertion that people are not interested in jobs and wanting everything for free?

Remind me how many are unemployed?

 

[3WA]

My experience of black people's work ethic is not secondhand experience or born out of prejudice. It is created by what I see at Home Affairs. What I saw in the years before the opposition took over my local municipality. It is also born out of how many black women give me attitude when I ask them to do their job. How many black women with 60-inch waists ask me for money for food?

Just get a job that pays R80k to R90k per month (or more), and you can pay someone else to deal with all this kind of schit for you. You can set up your life so that no-one gives you attitude.

 

[TheChamp]

Remind me how many are unemployed?

Plenty, but I don't think that is helping your argument in any way, the fact that we had over 2.5m more people than what was required applying for the job just shows what a load of BS your argument that people are not interested in job really is, no one should even be applying for the job in the first place according to you, let alone the millions who did.

 

[RiaX]

Plenty, but I don't think that is helping your argument in any way, the fact that we had over 2.5m more people than what was required applying for the job just shows what a load of BS your argument that people are not interested in job really is, no one should even be applying for the job in the first place according to you, let alone the millions who did.

Nope it's actually very important. Stats and figures don't lie. If I'm not mistaken those 300k posts where countrywide so it would be quite an indicative Stat also the fact you talking without knowing the full picture shows your bias.

You the guy that celebrates 1 teaspoon of uncontaminated water after government has taken a huge dump in the supply. You support them because of colour not achievements.

In fact the very statistic of unemployed people shows failure of the state to create and environment conducive for employment WRT to population growth (teaspoon).

As you were ... brainwashed

 

[TheChamp]

Nope it's actually very important. Stats and figures don't lie. If I'm not mistaken those 300k posts where countrywide so it would be quite an indicative Stat also the fact you talking without knowing the full picture shows your bias.

You the guy that celebrates 1 teaspoon of uncontaminated water after government has taken a huge dump in the supply. You support them because of colour not achievements.

In fact the very statistic of unemployed people shows failure of the state to create and environment conducive for employment WRT to population growth (teaspoon)

We were not arguing about the failure of the government to create jobs, we were arguing about you saying people are not interested in jobs when every example right before our eyes points to the contrary as the example I have just given.

 

[RiaX]

We were not arguing about the failure of the government to create jobs, we were arguing about you saying people are not interested in jobs when every example right before our eyes points to the contrary as the example I have just given.

So put the statistic of unemployed nationally and let's work out the percentile. 3 million applications is very small for national stats.

If you really interested in formal employment you would send applications everywhere.

 

[TheChamp]

So put the statistic of unemployed nationally and let's work out the percentile. 3 million applications is very small for national stats.

I don't need to put such a statistic forward, the example I gave is more than enough to prove what you are saying to be a lie, it shows that people are desperate for jobs and are more than willing to work if given an opportunity.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Hey, do you know who you are talking to ? Mind your tongue. He is a renowned pharmacist (pretends to be a doctor) who all the blacks prefer instead of going to black doctors. And he is a person of color so you better believe him.

As usual. Comments about the person instead of the subject.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I don't need to put such a statistic forward, the example I gave is more than enough to prove what you are saying to be a lie, it shows that people are desperate for jobs and are more than willing to work if given an opportunity.

I will for you then. There are about 30 million unemployed. 2.5 million applications are less than 10%. of the unemployed.

 

[TheChamp]

I will for you then. There are about 30 million unemployed. 2.5 million applications are less than 10%. of the unemployed.

They don't call you Mr Facts Unlimited for nothing.

 

[MilitantNightElf]

I will for you then. There are about 30 million unemployed. 2.5 million applications are less than 10%. of the unemployed.

30 million Jesus brah we got 55 million people in the country. I did not ever think I would agree wit the champ but I call b's.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

They don't call you Mr Facts Unlimited for nothing.

Simple arithmetic. Something that's alien to you.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

30 million Jesus brah we got 55 million people in the country. I did not ever think I would agree wit the champ but I call b's.

Of which almost half are on grants. 30 Million is a conservative estimate of the unemployed.

 

[TheChamp]

Of which almost half are on grants. 30 Million is a conservative estimate of the unemployed.

Yeah, conservative BS is still BS.

 

[RiaX]

It's about 8 million officially unemployed.