"A Game of Thrones" discussion thread

[Corelli]

Gendry has no claim to the throne. A bastard cant inherit the throne. Simple rules.

 

[sparticus]

So in order of succession. Jon is 1st in Line and Dany is 2nd. Jon as the male heir is the rightful claim to the thrown being the throne prince's first son. Then its free for all. Any lord or lady. But generally lords first then ladies.

Bran is part of the Night King. He wont rule the North so Sansa is the obvious choice there as she is actually next in line after Bran. Jon isnt the rightful heir to the north. He isnt a Stark from his fathers side.

Remember Winter is still coming for Kings landing. Bran saw that also his ancestor a Stark was one of the creators of the Night King. Supposedly Tyrian knows how to defeat him.

I reckon after last nights episode Tyrian will rule alongside Sansa in the North, thats if they make it

 

[sparticus]

There's no way they can write Gendry, Arya or any possible child of theirs onto the throne.

There are laws of the land that will have to be circumvented. Or some kind of rebellion led by the two of them. Don't see either scenario happening in the space of 3 episodes...

For me all rules and regulations are out after the battle of winterfell. From here onward they can forge their own rules I think

 

[Fulcrum29]

Gendry has no claim to the throne. A bastard cant inherit the throne. Simple rules.

Unless someone else knows that he is Robert's and Cersei's son.

 

[LazyLion]

12 Reasons Why The Battle Of Winterfell Was The Worst Castle Defence Ever
https://www.tabletoptribe.com/battle-of-winterfell-worst-castle-defence-ever/

 

[Urist]

For me all rules and regulations are out after the battle of winterfell. From here onward they can forge their own rules I think

Yup, no-one needs to listen to Dany now, her dragons will be ballista'd in the next round. democratic independence for all the republics of westeros.

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony

 

[daveza]

^^ I didn't vote for you.

 

[Urist]

^^ I didn't vote for you.

Lol, maybe that's the reason for Tormund's plot armour. To tell them how government works. Tormund for president!

 

[SaiyanZ]

So watched possibly the most intense and frenetic episode in the history of television, then read this from a review .....

The Battle Of Winterfell proved a surprisingly ponderous, murky, mess for most of the extended but relatively uneventful 82 minute special.

It's fairly true if you think about the progress made. Yeah the Night King dies and a couple other characters but there was little progression in terms of the greater storyline. Everyone is still who they were before the episode started without any major twists/changes in alliances/story. Especially when you realize that there are just 3 episodes left to close everything up.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I would love to hear Preston Jacobs's view on episode 3

 

[thestaggy]

No they won’t.

Cersei is on the throne but the Baratheon line was broken when Tommen walked out the window. Cersei would have to legitimise Gendry and name him her heir... You see that happening?

A Stark has never sat the Iron Throne. Ever.

Even in the North, Sansa has a better claim to warden than Arya.

When Cersei dies, a Targaryen would have the greatest claim to the IT, and when it comes to Targs, Jon’s claim is greatest. After him comes Dany.

Arya and Gendry just aren’t in contention at all.

As it stands, the Targaryens and the Starks are the only ones with a legit claim to the throne.

Robert was a usurper, so the Baratheons have no legit claim to it and never have. With both Daenerys and Viserys alive and now Jon, the rightful claim has always remained with the Targaryens. Cersei and House Lannister has zero claim to the throne

The Starks can press a claim in the absence of a Targ through marriage.

 

[Fulcrum29]

As it stands, the Targaryens and the Starks are the only ones with a legit claim to the throne.

Robert was a usurper, so the Baratheons have no legit claim to it and never have. With both Daenerys and Viserys alive and now Jon, the rightful claim has always remained with the Targaryens. Cersei and House Lannister has zero claim to the throne

The Starks can press a claim in the absence of a Targ through marriage.

Only the loyalists regarded the war and Robert Baratheon as a usurper. The rebels won the rebellion (or civil war) against the loyalists. Your stance only counts when you stand with the loyalists. There isn’t much ‘loyalists’ around anymore other than looking at ‘Jon’ and ‘Danny’ as House Tyrell and House Martell are pretty much vanquished.

The Targaryen dynasty collapsed and the Baratheon dynasty began. The throne was overthrown, as simple as that.

 

[Lupus]

The person with the biggest army has the right to the throne. Doesn't matter who has "right". It's who can dispose of the other armies and the people at the bottom won't really see the difference.

 

[Urist]

Just watched an interesting Youtube video, they could have have subverted expectations and followed prophecy if Theon was the one killing the night king. No-one expected his suicide charge to be successful, "the prince of winterfell" could easily tick most of the boxes for the prince that was promised.

 

[thestaggy]

Only the loyalists regarded the war and Robert Baratheon as a usurper. The rebels won the rebellion (or civil war) against the loyalists. Your stance only counts when you stand with the loyalists. There isn’t much ‘loyalists’ around anymore other than looking at ‘Jon’ and ‘Danny’ as House Tyrell and House Martell are pretty much vanquished.

The Targaryen dynasty collapsed and the Baratheon dynasty began. The throne was overthrown, as simple as that.

He is a usurper by the very definition, regardless of his motivations or justifications.



The Baratheons could sit on that throne for 100-years and any Targaryen would have the right to press a claim.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Preston's episode 3 review is going to be excellent,

 

[Naks]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/tv/a27305528/game-of-thrones-oled-tv/

...
Likely unintentionally, last night HBO created the perfect example explaining why OLED TVs are the future of home entertainment. The reason being that LCDs are horrible at night/dark scenes. Because the tech activates all pixels in a television (even if that color is black), the result is a hazy glow that muddies contrast and makes it hard to discern what's happening onscreen—especially when thousands of people and dragons are fighting one another.

OLED, on the other hand, produces its own light and can turn off those black pixels, creating a true black that not only saves energy, but is much more color accurate. It's even better if you can score a set with High Dynamic Range, increasing the contrast between light and dark and creating a better picture—something that would have been helpful on Winterfell's blood-soaked parapets.

Of course, OLED TVs aren't a universal panacea and come with their own shortcomings (when is black, too black?) but they're overall better at handling this kind of stuff....

 

[stefan9]

The writers are closing out so many characters now that anything is possible which is the only reason that I’m alluding to this.

It would be in a bad taste to see the Golden Company turn on the Lannister’s. Yes, the Lannister's have debt, but no one else are in the position to settle that debt. As it stands, the Golden Company have no reason whatsoever to break contract unless Qyburn have discussed terms unbeknown to the audience. The undead is now irrelevant, the Night King is dead and the Long Night is no more, this isn't clause anymore to break contract.

What we do have is the Ironborn in war with another, but is by large sided with Cersei thanks to Euron. There is no more Dothraki, a diminished Unsullied and the Northerners and their allies are pretty much worn and tired. They have two dragons, and Arya.

The Golden Company on the other hand is the praetorians (without elephants, which doesn’t matter in any case), the unrivalled elite. Though the Golden Company is payswords, their contract is their oath unless an better opportunity may arise, which there isn't, and even they will make the Unsullied's balls shake. They are the best soldiers and the best strategists.

More to the Lannister's... they have a zombie, giant zombie that is, who may be more undead than the undead. Qyburn also seems to be the better hand than Tyrion and they also have a Pirate, with a nation, who have zero Fcuks to give unless it is Cersei. Not only are the Golden Company premium soldiers, but Euron have experienced many things unbeknown to Westeros sailing and battling on the seas, and raiding where possible, with the Ironborn. Cersei is now strong.

Yara, what is she going to do, call up a mate or two at a bar?

When it comes to a battle, the Lannister side is pretty much now dominant. The question is what can be done to unravel this advantage? Blood...

Bron is still to make up his mind. Companionship or an castle, whichever, but I doubt he will shoot his buds.

What I do believe is that The Mountian is going to tick his kill list... then Cleganebowl.

The Golden Company has one reason and its the reason they broke contract in the books.

They are loyal to the Blood of the Dragon.

Tyrion

: How did you convince the Golden Company to take up the cause of our sweet queen when they have spent so much of their history fighting against the Targaryens?
Illyrio: Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon. When Maelys the Monstrous died upon the Stepstones, it was the end of the male line of House Blackfyre. And Daenerys will give the exiles what Bittersteel and the Blackfyres never could. She will take them home.[6]
—Tyrion Lannister and Illyrio Mopatis

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Illyrio_Mopatis

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Golden_Company

As for Euron he is not loyal, he will anbandon Cersei the moment tides turn. He even told yarra so in the first epidose. Also foreshadowed by the iron bank advisder when he told cersei the iron fleet is loyal to euron not her.

 

[stefan9]

The person with the biggest army has the right to the throne. Doesn't matter who has "right". It's who can dispose of the other armies and the people at the bottom won't really see the difference.

Aegon the conqueror disagrees. The one with the most powerfull army has the right not the biggest.

 

[stefan9]

I don't think arya and gendry will end up on the iron throne either but there are ways it could be done that make sense.

We're going to have a dead dani tho...

Dany is not dying unless its in childbirth.

This whole mad queen thing is totally misdirect. The mad queen is cersei not Dany.