"A Game of Thrones" discussion thread

[Nerfherder]

No. Do you know about Robert's Rebellion and that they collapsed the Targaryen dynasty? Only royalists support the Targaryen line for legitimacy. The only true royalist around is Daenerys if you can point out any other supporting house?

You make it out to be that the Battle at the Trident served of no purpose for the Rebels.

Stannis Baratheon was in some way in a similar position as Gendry, for if Gendry is to be king either there needs to be proof, Cersei must accept him as her son or present himself as the true king (as Stannis planned) for the people to choose and accept.

I have read the books.

Roberts legitimacy was from his grandmother being a Targ, sure he did win the war but his right to the throne was backed up by his lineage. Anyone else with a better claim could have contested it.

 

[stefan9]

To be fair, I prefer Cersei in the series over the books one, same as I liked the fact that the series killed off Catlyn Stark, I hated her chapters in the book sigh :-(

I prefer book version of both. Just as I prefer Jaime leaving her much earlier on in the books.

 

[Nerfherder]

Unfortunately the showrunners made cersei much smarter then she actually is cause they liked the actress.

They did it for Sansa as well.

Sansa is actually a composite of a few characters : Sansa, the girl who actually married Ramsay Bolton and I think Catelyn Stark (Lady Stone Hart).

So Cerci is probably the same... when the books catch up we might see someone else in her place for this battle.

 

[Polymathic]

I’m quite sure he already knows that Yara escaped. Without any Ironborn fleet, Yara is of no threat. For the Ironborn, it is who commands the Iron Fleet. Euron last ordered them to build 1000 ships, ‘all’ of which is used in support of Cercei.

Yara is on her way back to take the Iron Island’s in the name of Daenerys, she isn’t taking the Iron Fleet from Euron. Like she said, ‘Euron can’t defend the Iron Islands, not if he’s in King’s Landing with all his men and his ships. We can take our home back”. She can take their home back, but she can’t take Ironborn other than those loyal to her back.

The only dark horse is the Iron Bank (and Golden Company due to coin), but this card shouldn’t be used to cheapen the show any further. There is absolutely zero connection of the Golden Company to the Targaryen’s in the TV series and for that, they have no reason for existing their contract. Unless another on the spot things are to happen. The Iron Bank, they have made their terms known on many an occasion.

All Yara can give is a place of refuge, if she manage to take it back, while Euron is away.

Did we see the scene from the trailer where Yara is paraded in Kings Landing yet?

 

[Polymathic]

They did it for Sansa as well.

Sansa is actually a composite of a few characters : Sansa, the girl who actually married Ramsay Bolton and I think Catelyn Stark (Lady Stone Hart).

So Cerci is probably the same... when the books catch up we might see someone else in her place for this battle.

Probably Young Griff seeing she has the Golden Company with her

 

[Fulcrum29]

I have read the books.

Roberts legitimacy was from his grandmother being a Targ, sure he did win the war but his right to the throne was backed up by his lineage. Anyone else with a better claim could have contested it.

Like Stannis Baratheon’s claim as the one true king, or Gendry’s (even though he is a bastard at this stage)? In the books, it is unknown that Gendry is Robert’s son, but they amalgamated some book characters. The whole Adric Storm, a-hem Gendry, and Arya plot collided in another, but similar, way, but the TV series chose to make Gendry a known Baratheon. From Stannis's view, he conquered the Targaryen throne, Dragonstone, and then started his campaign as the one true king.

The TV series and book series are each their own canon. Besides, Jon Arryn and Ed Stark decided by themselves that Targaryen blood carries the best claim to be accepted by the houses. The North still has the ‘bend the knee’ and ‘dragons’ stigma they want to overcome. Mind you when the North discovers that their ‘son’ Jon is a Targ. Hmmmmm… it may be Westeros best king to stand by all sides, but damn that is bending the knee.

Still, Robert is the usurper according to the 'Loyalists', irrelevant whether his grandmother was a Targ which he inherited through his ‘mother’. The ‘Rebels’ want their own king. Westeros is to some extent two worlds collided, politically, supported by various houses. Nobody will be happy with any king. ‘Rebels’ will want their own, ‘Loyalists’ wants a Targaryen. Then still, Jon still needs to be accepted as a Targ.

 

[greg0205]

I prefer book version of both. Just as I prefer Jaime leaving her much earlier on in the books.

No fan of book Cat either, and the only sympathy I ever felt for Cersei was the last page or so of her walk of shame.

That said, I adore Lena Headey and Michelle Fairley.


Also, book Dany is worse than both of them.

Yep, I said it.

 

[stefan9]

They did it for Sansa as well.

Sansa is actually a composite of a few characters : Sansa, the girl who actually married Ramsay Bolton and I think Catelyn Stark (Lady Stone Hart).

So Cerci is probably the same... when the books catch up we might see someone else in her place for this battle.

Sansa is a lot better in the books imho.

Yes Sansa in the books gets nowwhere close to ramsay. Its her friend jeyne poole who is married to ramsay, the boltons are pretending she is araya.

I think stoneheart is merged with araya storyline in the show more then sansa.

 

[greg0205]

Sansa is a lot better in the books imho.

Yes Sansa in the books gets nowwhere close to ramsay. Its her friend jeyne poole who is married to ramsay, the boltons are pretending she is araya.

I think stoneheart is merged with araya storyline in the show more then sansa.

Sansa starts slow but folk who don’t love her by the end of ASOS are dead to me.

 

[Ockie]

Sansa starts slow but folk who don’t love her by the end of ASOS are dead to me.

Wow .... you guys have to chill!

 

[hellfire]

[YELLS]

Changes *what* he “yells” how exactly?

LOL is that what is said?

 

[greg0205]

Wow .... you guys have to chill!

Thing is Ockie, folk who’ve been reading the books have lived with these characters for twenty years... You get really attached to them and you’re invested in what happens to them.

 

[Nerfherder]

Like Stannis Baratheon’s claim as the one true king, or Gendry’s (even though he is a bastard at this stage)? In the books, it is unknown that Gendry is Robert’s son, but they amalgamated some book characters. The whole Adric Storm, a-hem Gendry, and Arya plot collided in another, but similar, way, but the TV series chose to make Gendry a known Baratheon. From Stannis's view, he conquered the Targaryen throne, Dragonstone, and then started his campaign as the one true king.

The TV series and book series are each their own canon. Besides, Jon Arryn and Ed Stark decided by themselves that Targaryen blood carries the best claim to be accepted by the houses. The North still has the ‘bend the knee’ and ‘dragons’ stigma they want to overcome. Mind you when the North discovers that their ‘son’ Jon is a Targ. Hmmmmm… it may be Westeros best king to stand by all sides, but damn that is bending the knee.

Still, Robert is the usurper according to the 'Loyalists', irrelevant whether his grandmother was a Targ which he inherited through his ‘mother’. The ‘Rebels’ want their own king. Westeros is to some extent two worlds collided, politically, supported by various houses. Nobody will be happy with any king. ‘Rebels’ will want their own, ‘Loyalists’ wants a Targaryen. Then still, Jon still needs to be accepted as a Targ.

Ya, I don't think anyone really has a legitimate claim - it will all come down to who has the most support.

Dany does not really have support in Westrous, Jon has support in the north as Ned son but not Aegon Targarian. Sansa has some support as Queen in the north, no one really knows who Arya is.
Cerci knows who Gendry is, she tried to have him killed but few others do.
Cerci has the support of the Iron bank and Eron's fleet.

I kind of see it ending like this: Danny and Jon get married making them equal partners and cementing their claim, no one else has to know Jon is targ. Varies goes to Dawn and gets their support, Sansa and Tyrion get married and hold Winterfel (Winterfelled). Sam goes home to rally house Tarly. Jamie marries Briene and they rally up the allies of Tarth.

This all happens very quick aka last seasons hyper travelling, they gather at Kings Landing for the finale.

 

[greg0205]

LOL is that what is said?

Yeah, the subs just say “YELLS”, but he yells “Go! Go! Go!”, which is why we’re talking about Jon creating a diversion with Viserion and telling Arya to get her hustle on and get to Bran.

 

[Suspect99]

Not a hope in hell.

Cersei doesn’t get her first POV until A Feast For Crows, the fourth book.

Tyrion has 49 chapters, Jon has 42, Arya has 34, Dany has 31, Cat has 25... Then Sansa, then Bran, then Jaime, then Ned, then Theon, then Davos...

Then Cersei.

If you think ASoIaF is about Cersei, you’re wrong. Very, very wrong.

It was an example of how the earlier seasons might have gone. Not having every main character miraculously surviving and then killing the night king and his army with a single blow. They'd rather kill them all than do that

 

[TheJman]

Just for the record...

 

[Nerfherder]

Sansa is a lot better in the books imho.

Yes Sansa in the books gets nowwhere close to ramsay. Its her friend jeyne poole who is married to ramsay, the boltons are pretending she is araya.

I think stoneheart is merged with araya storyline in the show more then sansa.

That would be interesting. I'm even more interested to see what happens in the books now.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Did we see the scene from the trailer where Yara is paraded in Kings Landing yet?

Let's see,

Euron still has a stiffy for Cercei. The Unsullied has risen from the dead. The people of the North looks bruised. Danny and co. looks if they just liberated Slaver’s Bay, again. Danny makes the surviving people, “Yea”. Danny pet’s her dragon. Arya kisses a Baratheon. The North burns the dead, alongside Danny. Danny walks. A dragon is flying over a particular boat with a dragon’s head??? Euron asks for sex. Two dragons fly off, away from Winterfell (goodbye Danny, farewell Jon) whilst Sansa is sharpening her nails for the dragon queen (remember their last table discussion). Oh, schit, Jon had to take a horse, sorry. Wait, what, that was a Targaryen fleet??? From where??? Danny looks at Targaryen fleet from Dragonstone, smiling with her pet dragon whilst looking upwards (never seen sails before?). Cercei wants to rip Danny’s throat out, yikes!!!

If Yara is commanding the Targaryen fleet then she conquered and rallied up the Ironborn in record time. I still only count around 16+ ships, if this is going to be a ‘300’ ship battle, I don’t know. By now there must be anti-dragon gear in the abundance, huh Qyburn?

 

[daveza]

The Unsullied has risen from the dead.

Thought they died ( again ) with the NK....

 

[dualmeister]

Haven't watched Episode 3 yet.

Pulls a tongue and runs away