"A Game of Thrones" discussion thread

Cray

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Both of those are justified killings. The burning of the innocents in kings landing isn't.
Disagree there...

Burning someone who she enslaved who then didn't tow the line, this from someone who called herself the "Breaker of Chains"?

The Tarly's could have been stripped of their titles or thrown in prison, executing people just because they don't recognize your claim to the thrown is hardly justified.
 
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daveza

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No doubt some video savvy person will YouTube an alternative ending.
 

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Disagree there...

Burning someone who she enslaved who then didn't tow the line, this from someone who called herself the "Breaker of Chains"?

The Tarly's could have been stripped of their titles or thrown in prison, executing people just because they don't recognize your claim to the thrown is hardly justified.
Witch killed her unborn son, totally justified in killing her after that.

The Tarly's chose to die. Were given a choice. Also they took the option of taking the black of the table themselves.
 

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Disagree there...

Burning someone who she enslaved who then didn't tow the line, this from someone who called herself the "Breaker of Chains"?

The Tarly's could have been stripped of their titles or thrown in prison, executing people just because they don't recognize your claim to the thrown is hardly justified.
Totally justified IMO considering they were one of the first major houses to face her. A strong message to all the houses that plan to stand in her way .
 

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Disagree there...

Burning someone who she enslaved who then didn't tow the line, this from someone who called herself the "Breaker of Chains"?

The Tarly's could have been stripped of their titles or thrown in prison, executing people just because they don't recognize your claim to the thrown is hardly justified.
Who did she burn who she enslaved, again? I honestly can't remember.

In regard to the Tarly's. There is real importance to bending the knee in this realm. She gave them a choice and they chose to disregard her rule, she only burned those who opposed her rulership and this is a known execution by Targaryens. In the past they rewarded many houses as vassals which bend the knee, and gave some the option of electing a new house of rule.

Just remember those who are pro Loyalist should know this history. Randyll scolded her as a 'foreign invader' when questioning Tyrion's loyalties. Daenerys is anything but a foreigner, in season 1 all she wanted to do was to return home to Dragonstone, but her brother had other plans.

Cake or Death, the Tarly's made that decision. The TV show did make Tyrion question himself, but he should have known beforehand if they refused to bend the knee.
 

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Who did she burn who she enslaved, again? I honestly can't remember.

In regard to the Tarly's. There is real importance to bending the knee in this realm. She gave them a choice and they chose to disregard her rule, she only burned those who opposed her rulership and this is a known execution by Targaryens. In the past they rewarded many houses as vassals which bend the knee, and gave some the option of electing a new house of rule.

Just remember those who are pro Loyalist should know this history. Randyll scolded her as a 'foreign invader' when questioning Tyrion's loyalties. Daenerys is anything but a foreigner, in season 1 all she wanted to do was to return home to Dragonstone, but her brother had other plans.

Cake or Death, the Tarly's made that decision. The TV show did make Tyrion question himself, but he should have known beforehand if they refused to bend the knee.
She's totally a foreigner, raised in Pentos, Khaleesi of the Dothraki, and Queen of Slavers Bay. She was raised in foreign cultures so Randel Tarly isn't wrong by his assessment.
 

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She's totally a foreigner, raised in Pentos, Khaleesi of the Dothraki, and Queen of Slavers Bay. She was raised in foreign cultures so Randel Tarly isn't wrong by his assessment.
Tell that to the supporting houses of the Targaryen dynasty. If she was a foreigner, all of those houses would have ignored her line of succession, a line of succession which came from foreigners. She and her brother was still smuggled out of Westeros when the Targaryen dynasty collapsed, and spied upon. If you regard her succession as foreign and a invasion of a new succession then you are opposed to the Loyalists.
 

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Tell that to the supporting houses of the Targaryen dynasty. If she was a foreigner, all of those houses would have ignored her line of succession, a line of succession which came from foreigners. She and her brother was still smuggled out of Westeros when the Targaryen dynasty collapsed, and spied upon. If you regard her succession as foreign and a invasion of a new succession then you are opposed to the Loyalists.
If you conservative old school Westerosi like Randal, who values old school Westerosi customs and culture you'd consider somebody who was raised on foreign soil, under foreign culture and who never set foot on mainland Westeros until that point. She is in many eyes a foreign queen. Added to that she brings foreigners to fight her war for her.
 

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If you conservative old school Westerosi like Randal, who values old school Westerosi customs and culture you'd consider somebody who was raised on foreign soil, under foreign culture and who never set foot on mainland Westeros until that point. She is in many eyes a foreign queen. Added to that she brings foreigners to fight her war for her.
In that case Randyll very well knew that he is toast when he didn't bend the knee.
 

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In that case Randyll very well knew that he is toast when he didn't bend the knee.
Seems consistent for a prideful man who forced his eldest son to take the black or face death so he wouldn't bring shame to his House as the Lord Of Horn Hill
 

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Quite liked Varys as a character, and agree that it's a bit weird that he didn't know as much about what was going as previous seasons - very strange for a master spy.

At least he was positive about how it's all going to end.
 

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She probably would've even left the Tarly's as lords of Highgarden. Aegon the Conqueror didn't disposes the old kings of their lands. Sure he stripped them of their kingships but then made them Lords Paramount.

No way you can use what Dany done to the Tarly's as a sign of madness. It was a fair offer and Randall knew the cost of not accepting.
 

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She's says bend the knee or die, so they surely knew.

Yes, but Randyll knew the War of Conquest (Tangaryen Conquest), the very same theme was applied by Daenerys. House Tyrell knows this theme very well, not to mention that Randyll fought for the Tyrell's, as Bannerman, for the Loyalists during Robert's Rebellion and it was long after that he, House Tarly, sided with House Lannister as we know from the TV adaption. Strictly speaking he was a Loyalist, and should be aware of Daenerys Targaryen. Knee or die, he knew.
 
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