Ulysses Everett McGill
- Aug 26, 2011
The afterlife is irrelevant to the point I was making.A serious mind-shift is required here. You are incorrectly judging this deity in the absence of an After life. From what wayfarer et al are saying, this Earthly life is but a really tiny subset of eternity (the greatest put being in the After life). With that mindset, it is quite clear that whatever suffering is experienced here is almost inconsequential, given that it is later recompensed many fold.
Time for another analogy (hopefully I'll be more clear here than I have been in the past). Oh, and porch, this is an attempt to address your question to me as well.
Assume I undergo some physical training. During this training I do some hectic workouts. The training makes me tired, makes me sore and stiff, and initially makes me quite miserable.
However, after the training, I am pretty well built and I have a smexy 6-pack, and the chicks absolutely dig me. Now in my (nerdy ) life, that would be an awesome state of affairs. Oh yes, and I get all those health benefits.
The point is: I undergo hardship for a small period of time, and reap fantastic (to me) rewards for a long time thereafter.
Again, I remind you that the Earthly life is so short compared to eternity, that it's not even a drop in the ocean. With that in mind, it should be immediately apparent that whatever hardship is experienced on Earth, for this ultra short time (no matter how severe), is only "immoral" if it is not recompensed (many fold, for an infinitely longer amount of time) in a later Life.
Should there be no recompense, than yes, you are 100% correct, such a deity is most definitely immoral.
But, if one were to include the afterlife, which is deemed to be an eternity in a climate based on reward/punishment for actions in this life. If there is a hell where punishment and suffering is eternal then the being responsible for that is unbelievably cruel. The very existence of a hell is at odds with an omnibenevolent being. And to use supposed reward in the afterlife as an excuse for not real world misery and suffering in this life is pretty disgusting in my view, too.
I saw some poster claim that the reward is probably even greater for those made to suffer in this life. Can you not see how damaging and warped that view is? It has real world implications if people actually believe that. "I'm not going to bother stopping that rape, because it means her afterlife will be even better!"
Do I even need to mention that this 'afterlife' is a completely unsupported claim? There's no reason for us to believe it's anything more than fiction, and yet strife and misery in the real world is being glossed over because 'don't worry, when you die things will be better'. Nasty.