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A new chapter in the ANC's forceful renaming of Potch
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I agree with you. But that that may have been the process doesn't change the fact that now, being in charge they're the de facto victors.
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The anc dont give a fsck about the people (poor) - remember the Khutsong township troubles ? fighting against the the incorporation from gauteng province into northwest province . How many buildings were burned and marches to the "mayors" office were held all by anc supporters and they were ignored. Remember out of thousands of people living in the township only a handful of people voted in the last election and still the anc government didnt give a damn to listen to the people.
Agreed ... but they seem to be overlooking the fact that embittered "losers" might decide that terrorism is the way to go ... seems to me they can't even catch two Akrikaner Sepratists, what hope do they have against an entire Movement. I would venture the answer ... very little.
Curious...I suppose if it was given, it can be taken back...???
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In 5 sentences or less, please explain why the new name is any better than the old, and how it would benefit (directly) anybody living there?
1) The old name was given to the place by the minority rule. Now, majority rule use ther discression to decide the New Name.
2) The old name is synonimous with APARTheid.
3) The is more representatives of the inhabbitants of the areea who lived ther b4 the non-Africans arrived.
4) Tourists will appreciat the name better bcause it is more like tha native cultuire of the areea.
5)It will teach the non-Africans there to mingle better with the Africans,by living in a town that share African Name.
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1) The old name was given to the place by the minority rule. Now, majority rule use ther discression to decide the New Name.
2) The old name is synonimous with APARTheid.
3) The is more representatives of the inhabbitants of the areea who lived ther b4 the non-Africans arrived.
4) Tourists will appreciat the name better bcause it is more like tha native cultuire of the areea.
5)It will teach the non-Africans there to mingle better with the Africans,by living in a town that share African Name.
who is HIM?
You moan about eyes? we have so little light here in Germany, my eys burn from the least sunlight.........
I miss my country. Sa.
These Germans are crazy.
You can't handle differing opinions and so you quickly retreat to the laager?
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I can handle opinions just fine Angelo. I havent blocked you.
It is just the bad spelling that makes my brain (petite as the poor thing may be) go into spasms.
However you seem perfectly adept at jumping to conclusions. I will leave you to it...enjoy the mieliepap.
1) The old name was given to the place by the minority rule. Now, majority rule use ther discression to decide the New Name.
Name changes on a whim as opposed to using the costs for better, concrete changes? Minority never created the town to begin with.
2) The old name is synonimous with APARTheid.
So is South Africa, The M1 and the Afrikaans language, should we change/ban those too?
3) The is more representatives of the inhabbitants of the areea who lived ther b4 the non-Africans arrived.
Who never made a town or a road in the time that they were there. In fact no town was there at all.
4) Tourists will appreciat the name better bcause it is more like tha native cultuire of the areea.
I highly doubt they would appreciate it any less than its previous name, youre guessing here.
5)It will teach the non-Africans there to mingle better with the Africans,by living in a town that share African Name.
So far I count 9000 protests against the name change a lot of people with their backs up. All it teaches non-africans is that the current regeime has no respect for their ancestry. They are creating a racial divide in this country, again.
Name changes on a whim as opposed to using the costs for better, concrete changes? Minority never created the town to begin with.
2) The old name is synonimous with APARTheid.
So is South Africa, The M1 and the Afrikaans language, should we change/ban those too?
3) The is more representatives of the inhabbitants of the areea who lived ther b4 the non-Africans arrived.
Who never made a town or a road in the time that they were there. In fact no town was there at all.
4) Tourists will appreciat the name better bcause it is more like tha native cultuire of the areea.
I highly doubt they would appreciate it any less than its previous name, youre guessing here.
5)It will teach the non-Africans there to mingle better with the Africans,by living in a town that share African Name.
So far I count 9000 protests against the name change a lot of people with their backs up. All it teaches non-africans is that the current regeime has no respect for their ancestry. They are creating a racial divide in this country, again.
(NOthing against your post Dastrix, was just too lazy to search for the original post)
Strange how whereever a white town exists, there used to be a black settlement.
Another strange thing, is how each and every supporter of the new defunct ruling party (based on credibility of course) is an expert on this area.
First off, the name Thlokwe comes from the tribe that lived in the hills outside Fochville.....Fochville is 30 km's from the current location of Potch.
So far, the only proof that a tribe lived in the area, is currently at a small little place called Oudedorp (original Potch settlement) which is about 15km's from the current location on the Carletonville road.
So basically there is no valid argument to change the name, except maybe :" we're black and we wanna".
But remember and beware, the ANC is touching the golden calf in the Afrikaner history here (well I think so). This is not some two horse town, afrikaans as a language bloomed here (Totius), and the first shots of the first anglo boer war was fired in potch.
But I think just to be fair, lets rename soweto, I kinda like the name dewetsdorp, or delareyville. I feel soweto does nt speak to me as a suid afrikaner, so taking the ANC mentality, I think its time to rename it
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Thabo encourages everyone to find a common identity. This is however impossible when unilateral decisions like these are forced upon a community.
There is fair argument that this is being done to prevoke the minority even.
One can understand name changes to more prominent places, but this ongoing name change saga is doing more harm than good to a fragile democracy.
Yes certainly names of places, buildings, streets, etc need to be changed to reflect our new country of unity. It is essential.
One has to ask though should there not have been a time frame on this?
If the name of Potch was good enough 5 years ago, its should be good enough now. I really dont care what they call it or anything else for that matter, just get it done and lets move on, this constant needle in the side of the minority with changing names here and there is not healthy and certainly does not create the atmosphere where people are going to find a common identity.
You can lead a horse to water etc etc.
Memory lane.
I vividly remember the referendum, when the 'whitey's' all left the factory to go and vote the rest of the workforce were urging us to do the right thing and vote yes for obvious reasons. Needless to say an overwhelming majority of the people did do the right thing, even in traditionally staunch Afrikaner areas.
Since then more than a million skilled whites and their families have left this country (almost a 5th of the entire white population) and we should be asking why. The reason wont be because we have found a common identity I can promise you that.
I did not vote yes to be marginalized at every turn. Just last week I had to fill in a form at work where I had to classify my 'race'
I also take offence to being classed as non-African just because of the colour of my skin, and as much as I value everyones opinions including those that differ significantly from mine, I find it very rich to be classed as a non-African by someone that doesnt even reside in Africa.
Sipho old buddy old pal, I am more African than you.
There is fair argument that this is being done to prevoke the minority even.
One can understand name changes to more prominent places, but this ongoing name change saga is doing more harm than good to a fragile democracy.
Yes certainly names of places, buildings, streets, etc need to be changed to reflect our new country of unity. It is essential.
One has to ask though should there not have been a time frame on this?
If the name of Potch was good enough 5 years ago, its should be good enough now. I really dont care what they call it or anything else for that matter, just get it done and lets move on, this constant needle in the side of the minority with changing names here and there is not healthy and certainly does not create the atmosphere where people are going to find a common identity.
You can lead a horse to water etc etc.
Memory lane.
I vividly remember the referendum, when the 'whitey's' all left the factory to go and vote the rest of the workforce were urging us to do the right thing and vote yes for obvious reasons. Needless to say an overwhelming majority of the people did do the right thing, even in traditionally staunch Afrikaner areas.
Since then more than a million skilled whites and their families have left this country (almost a 5th of the entire white population) and we should be asking why. The reason wont be because we have found a common identity I can promise you that.
I did not vote yes to be marginalized at every turn. Just last week I had to fill in a form at work where I had to classify my 'race'
I also take offence to being classed as non-African just because of the colour of my skin, and as much as I value everyones opinions including those that differ significantly from mine, I find it very rich to be classed as a non-African by someone that doesnt even reside in Africa.
Sipho old buddy old pal, I am more African than you.
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As Dastrix said, maybe to repeat [since the "majority" in SA doesn't get it]
1. Potchefstroom was founded and built by the so called "minority". While this minority are STILL there, it's ARROGANCE and INSENSITIVE to wipe the name and history right under them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potchefstroom
2. As was said, if Potch is synonymous to Apartheid [the name itself has NOTHING to do with apartheid], you are essentially saying the PEOPLE in potch is apartheid-mongers. Therefore wiping the name is basically trying to wipe WHITES and AFRIKAANS out of the country...again ARROGANT AND RACIST motives.
3. Bull, that's not sufficient reason to change a name because of the people who lived there BEFORE [as in 200 years ago] . You must consider who live there NOW. Again this is SELFISH TRIBES trying to leave a mark while they can.
4. What exactly is the "native culture" of Potchefstroom? Is it a Afrikaans culture or is it Tribal culture ? I'm not talking about the larger North-West area, i'm talking about Potch the town itself. The same argument goes for a town like Stellenbosch, the culture is Afrikaans/Dutch/German ....how do you justify a name change there as the same "reasoning" applies ?
5. And you have found research on this phenomenon? You're saying Polokwane is now a model town for "mingling of non-africans with africans" ? If you rename Potch to a BLACK name, you are not being NEUTRAL . You are simply pleasing one side and angering another . This is the same argument that CODESA had when deciding NOT TO PICK AIRPORT NAMES WITH POLITICAL RELEVANCE ...