A question to the non christians

[Xarog]

You're welcome.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

PeterCH and Xarog: I couldn't care who thinks I'm going to hell.

Read the quote in context - SB was confused about why PostmanPot was annoyed, not me

 

[nthdimension]

Humans have this tendency to choose something to believe in and they will argue, fight or kill to maintain that belief, be it science

I'm having trouble thinking of wars fought over differing scientific opinions.

Armies of classical physicists taking on the armies of the quantum physicists?

Faith is different to knowledge.

 

[thedoc!]

Do you guys and girls have anything against Christian people on here like me who dont force their views on anyone. I tend to keep quiet and stay out of debates unless I feel it is really necessary to say something. I dont force my views on non christians and dont tell them they going to hell.

As someone asked previously in one of the other threads - are you a social mis-fit that has taken on live by the forum?

Reading some of the threads you have started are reason to worry!

I'm not having a go at you, and by no means take this personally only concerned that all your daily life questions are forum based, and I am beginning to wonder if you have friends (real humans, not chat buddies)?

/doc

 

[nocilah]

I'm having trouble thinking of wars fought over differing scientific opinions.

Armies of classical physicists taking on the armies of the quantum physicists?

Faith is different to knowledge.

i said argue, fight or kill not all three, that kind of thought is reserved for the narrow minded idiot, oh... er... oops.

and to fill you in argue could be debate, disprove, ect ect which 'armies' of scientists do on a daily basis as do religious folk.

off course faith is different to knowledge, you require faith to believe in the knowledge you gain in case you didn't reach that part of my post.

for example i have little faith in your comprehension skills. No knowledge required there.

 

[Xarog]

I'm having trouble thinking of wars fought over differing scientific opinions.

Armies of classical physicists taking on the armies of the quantum physicists?

Faith is different to knowledge.

Well, Archimedes at least didn't have a problem putting his opponents to the sword.

 

[kilo39]

for over 6000 years mankind has had religion and for over 6000 years man has had science.

For interest why do you choose 6000 years? Religion has been around for a lot longer than science. Science is an offshoot of religion in the sense that 'primitive peoples' created religion to "try and understand the world." Or rather supernatural forces were their only option in trying to explain the world and their place within it. In fact "religion" is a 'created' artifact: mans interaction with the world and nature has always had a cosmic dimension: it is the only way primitives could understand the world (disease etc) unseen forces greater than themselves.

Further Newton and the other great scientists (Copernicus or Galileo, whoever) were "religionists" before they were scientists. They became scientists in their thrust to understand 'the religious world.' Or rather the world of the spirit (the unseen forces that affect the lives of people.)

The more relevant question is: why do people have this relation to the world? Even the scientists on this thread; why do they bother at all. Where does the concept of god come from and how come it is so widespread.

Further bigger questions are why are we here in the first place, and why do the majority feel this compelling reason to seek an answer beyond themselves? Newton and the great scientists didn't become less religious: their science was an attempt for greater understanding of the world of god and the forces within it. God didn't give us brains to get stuck in dogma or tell one person their "religion" (or lack thereof) is inferior/superior to another.

The universe is. Why?

 

[noxibox]

i said argue, fight or kill not all three

and to fill you in argue could be debate, disprove

There is a big difference between arguing/debating and fighting or killing.

 

[nthdimension]

i said argue, fight or kill not all three.

off course faith is different to knowledge, you require faith to believe in the knowledge you gain

We all know scientists debate things. People have been commonly known to kill each other over politics or religion, but seldom over competing scientific theories. So I wonder how often have scientists started wars with those of opposing views?

You do not require faith to believe in knowledge gained. You merely have to test that knowledge. Even off course.

 

[Safferbeauty]

As someone asked previously in one of the other threads - are you a social mis-fit that has taken on live by the forum?

Reading some of the threads you have started are reason to worry!

I'm not having a go at you, and by no means take this personally only concerned that all your daily life questions are forum based, and I am beginning to wonder if you have friends (real humans, not chat buddies)?

/doc

Seems like u r having a go and yeah I do actually have a lot of friends, just not where I live. A lot of them are overseas because they hate this country and will never ever return and the others r in cape town so dont get to see them that often. I cant aford to move out of home yet othewise i would have moved already

 

[Myrrdin]

I have a question for the non-religious, scientific minded.

Have you seen an atom split?, but you know it must exist. Have you seen how heat transfer converts to electricity?, but you know it must exist. Have you seen a flip-flop on a silicon wafer?, but you know it must exist. Have you seen how two cells co-operate to produce a single human being?, but you know it must exist. And for all these questions don’t say you saw it on TV because they also made superman fly.

Yet you believe all of these things to be true except the last one I hope. That is as much a religion as any other religion on earth. Now imagine all the scientists died today and a thousand years pass. How will you prove all these things above existed?

 

[Highflyer_GP]

I have a question for the non-religious, scientific minded.

Have you seen an atom split?, but you know it must exist. Have you seen how heat transfer converts to electricity?, but you know it must exist. Have you seen a flip-flop on a silicon wafer?, but you know it must exist. Have you seen how two cells co-operate to produce a single human being?, but you know it must exist. And for all these questions don’t say you saw it on TV because they also made superman fly.

It might be difficult to observe, but you can repeatedly test and confirm the results empirically. How does one test and confirm the actions of God?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Myrrdin : the big thing is if we choose to, we can learn about and prove these things ourselves. This is a major difference between science and religion.

Imagein all the religious people died today and a thousand years passed, do you think anyone would believe their religion if they just reappeared in a thousand years?

 

[fivelza]

It might be difficult to observe, but you can repeatedly test and confirm the results empirically. How does one test and confirm the actions of God?

That there is the crux HF_GP.....Christians see God all around them...in creation, in people..in everything....I know you don't, but that is where we fundamentally differ

 

[nthdimension]

Yet you believe all of these things to be true except the last one I hope. That is as much a religion as any other religion on earth. Now imagine all the scientists died today and a thousand years pass. How will you prove all these things above existed?

So Nietche was right.

Thankfully scientists are painfully detailed in writing up their experiments, so with a little time and effort we can build the equipment and run the same tests.

Have you seen a flip-flop on a silicon wafer?, but you know it must exist

What magic did you use to post your message?

Putting sperm and egg together produces a baby. I've tested this theory a few times myself.

There is no faith requirement.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

That there is the crux HF_GP.....Christians see God all around them...in creation, in people..in everything....I know you don't, but that is where we fundamentally differ

I understand but I guess what I'm trying to say is that anybody with any doubts about science can set up any scientific experiment at will and confirm the results. However if one has doubts about God, it's difficult to call on God at will in order to verify any of his actions (for example healing a cancer patient or some such).

 

[Myrrdin]

It might be difficult to observe, but you can repeatedly test and confirm the results empirically. How does one test and confirm the actions of God?

Prayer, but as you are not prepared to do that test you cannot confirm the result. I have a test for you, but first you must believe in the existence of God as you believe in the existence of the atom. Are you prepared to do the test?

 

[thedoc!]

Seems like u r having a go

Like I mentioned on the post - I was not having a go!!

and yeah I do actually have a lot of friends, just not where I live.

good to know you have friends - and I understand now the reason for the posts as your friends are not around.

A lot of them are overseas because they hate this country and will never ever return

Great - I moved here from overseas a few years ago, loving it here - granted there are issues but I certainly don't hate it, in fact I like it here a lot.

Some of the issues can and will be sorted out, some, well probably wont, shame to see them leave.

and the others r in cape town so dont get to see them that often. I cant aford to move out of home yet othewise i would have moved already

Thought from your location (Next to the number of posts) you were in Cape town?

Anyway - apologies if I came across harsh, didnt mean to at all.

/doc

 

[nthdimension]

That there is the crux HF_GP.....Christians see God all around them...in creation, in people..in everything....I know you don't, but that is where we fundamentally differ

That has belief as a prerequisite. If you have the faith you see the evidence. Not the same thing as an empirical test. I can make children with absolutely no belief in the theory that putting a sperm and egg together will make a baby. In fact fervent disbelief in that theory is definitely not a reliable way to prevent pregnancy. True evidence for a god will be that evidence that reliably convinces those who disbelieve.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Prayer, but as you are not prepared to do that test you cannot confirm the result. I have a test for you, but first you must believe in the existence of God as you believe in the existence of the atom. Are you prepared to do the test?

Sure, I'm open-minded

However I must add that I used to be very religious and put lots of faith and belief into my religion and God, however prayer failed me dismally in my time of need. But I'm willing to listen to the test and try it.