Accusations fly at human rights hearing into transgender woman's Brazilian wax complaint

[ShaunSA]

you're supposed to stand there staring stoically ahead, and not be browsing.
i, on the other hand . . .

I hope you at least pretend to be reading those anusol adverts posted directly in front.

 

[Toxxyc]

Look I think my stance on tolerance is fairly well documented, but let's not get confused here. Accepting people in all their glorious difference is one thing, but normal is a biological male with male genitals and a biological female with female genitals attracted to each other. God, the universe, evolution or the goddamn fairies made it this way for the purpose of reproduction to ensure the continuation of the species. If someone feels differently, does it differently, wants to stick whatever, where-ever, good for them, but it is not the biologically mandated normal.

And the bottom line is that without boy sperm and girl eggs there are no new human beings. Biology trumps all.

Dammit. I got a rational, logical, well-put response on the internet. It must be a slow Friday...

I agree. Well put.

 

[Swa]

Nee **** have you seen the queue's for the ladies. Men go much faster thanks to urinals.

And if you're seeing other guys dicks it's because you're looking.

Don't know which ones you go to but if there's 5 stalls or more there's almost never a queue. It's only with single stalls which make it a problem for both no 1 & 2. Urinals only have so much space as well. They tried the urinal thing for women once. Didn't pan out for some reason...

And the "because you're looking" bit is just a cop out.

I'm going to be really annoying here and say that those people will take offence when you refer to majority as "normal gendered", because that automatically classes them as abnormal...

I'm kidding, a bit, but that's really where we're heading toward. These people are firmly of the belief that there are no difference between a naturally born woman and a man who thinks he's a woman, cock'nballs and all. Therein sits the problem. That problem can not reasonably be solved, by the looks of it, without stepping on at least someone's toes.

I'm damn glad I'm not the legal eagle who has to decide on this case.

Brings up some interesting questions. Most women would feel uncomfortable among transgender men (or women). What if someone had his brain transplanted into a female body though? How would women feel about that? Being male or female isn't just about body parts. There will probably be a lot of division.

Personally I don't care either way being among women, men or transgender men or women. I just won't do my business in front of any of them.

 

[MachoPants]

Feels rather than factuals

 

[nightjar]

I'm going to be really annoying here and say that those people will take offence when you refer to majority as "normal gendered", because that automatically classes them as abnormal...

I'm kidding, a bit, but.....

Fact of life.
It's a fact that 8% of males are colour blind while the remainder are normal but I don't take offence that I have an abnormality.
Same applies to other disabilities like albinism, haemophilia, homosexuality etc.
The fact is that, for millions of years, normal hominid and much other animal biology has required a male and a female for the propagation of the species. Any individuals outside those specs can only be described as abnormal.

 

[Alan]

Twitter reverses ban of Lindsay Shepherd after international outrage

 

[The Free Radical]

My sentiments in a nutshell.

I'd complete his sex change for free by yanking off his goons if I were subject to this BS.
I'd give him real crisis to scream and cry about. What a sick depraved vark he is.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Twitter reverses ban of Lindsay Shepherd after international outrage

Great. They're not going to reinstate me, however- I'm too much of a minnow.

 

[Zoomzoom]

My sentiments in a nutshell.

I'd complete his sex change for free by yanking off his goons if I were subject to this BS.
I'd give him real crisis to scream and cry about. What a sick depraved vark he is.

No this is really NOT what you 'warned' us about. What you warned us about does not exist. And Yaniv is NOT trans, he (HE!) is a sexual predator.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

No this is really NOT what you 'warned' us about. What you warned us about does not exist. And Yaniv is NOT trans, he (HE!) is a sexual predator.

But he not only insisited he was a transwoman, he had the full-throated support of the trans community.
They are only now starting to realise what he actually is - after a lot of damage has been done.
How are you going to know what the transwoman in your daughter's changing room is?

 

[ShaunSA]

No this is really NOT what you 'warned' us about. What you warned us about does not exist. And Yaniv is NOT trans, he (HE!) is a sexual predator.

Did you just assume it's gender?

 

[Zoomzoom]

But he not only insisited he was a transwoman, he had the full-throated support of the trans community.
They are only now starting to realise what he actually is - after a lot of damage has been done.
How are you going to know what the transwoman in your daughter's changing room is?

The same way you would know if any man was a perv. Or do you WANT me to go around presuming all men are guilty? Can't have it both ways!

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

The same way you would know if any man was a perv. Or do you WANT me to go around presuming all men are guilty? Can't have it both ways!

But you can't know. Not by looking at them. Sensible thing to do is not allow men into situations where girls and women are vulnerable. Why don't you get this?

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Hang on a bit - I see a bit of a pattern here.
Zoom...err..Zoom, wasn't it you insisting it was fine to walk around a supermarket feeding your face "because I'm going to pay for it", while seemingly refusing to admit that not all people have your honourable intentions?

 

[Zoomzoom]

But you can't know. Not by looking at them. Sensible thing to do is not allow men into situations where girls and women are vulnerable. Why don't you get this?

Women and children are always vulnerable, but not all men are bad. Do you honestly think that bathrooms are inherently higher risk places than say any of the other places people get sexually assaulted?

You see this is the problem - if you equate homosexuality, transgender etc with something inherently bad / wrong, then yes I see your point. Keep the bad people away from women and kids. But here's the small teensy weensy problem with that - gay, trans, rest of the alphabet people are not inherently bad people just waiting for an opportunity in a bathroom to leap on some unsuspecting person and assault them.

This is where I get so upset with the whole lib/conservative paradigm we always find ourselves in in these discussions. Here's a newsflash for everyone on BOTH sides - the world ain't black and white. It's finely nuanced shades of grey ... all the way.

So back to the trans issue - they suffer even worse hatred, bullying, prejudice etc than gay people do (and that's bad enough) plus they have all the body dysphoria issue because of their situation - so when they finally have the courage to dress how they feel so that the outside matches their belief system - they would like to a. be able to go to the bathroom that matches how they present and b. do so without incurring further hatred, prejudices, etc. This is not an unreasonable request.

I presume if someone came to you and said - every time I go to the bathroom I face prejudice and discrimination and I would just like to be able to go pee in peace and safety, you wouldn't be so hardhearted and indifferent to their problem that you would refuse them the right to have a place to pee.

Now that has to be balanced against the fact that not everyone wishes to see other people's genitals, especially not if the genitals are different from the sign on the door. A desire which is also very fair and reasonable. So the solution lies in accommodating both requirements. A decidedly difficult task!

When you start throwing total bullshit into the mix about kids have to be kept safe from predators with the clear implied meaning that gay / trans / etc etc etc are the perverts that the kids need to be kept safe from you lose the plot completely, and just expose your intolerance and prejudice which started the whole problem in the first place - i.e. it was intolerant folks and their prejudices that made the bathroom unsafe for the people you now want to exclude and discriminate against even more ..

As to the question of sexual predators - again, unless you are going to lock up every person on the planet because they 'might' do something - we judge people on their behaviour, like this Yaniv person. He exhibits every textbook behaviour of a sexual predator with fetishes, and pretty much zero behaviour of a person with gender issues. He is a man who is very clear in his own mind about what he wants, and how he is going to get it. The whole crossdressing thing may also be a part of his fetishist fantasy, although I suspect it is simply a means to an end. Sexual predators will play any role that gets them close to their preferred targets.

 

[Zoomzoom]

Hang on a bit - I see a bit of a pattern here.
Zoom...err..Zoom, wasn't it you insisting it was fine to walk around a supermarket feeding your face "because I'm going to pay for it", while seemingly refusing to admit that not all people have your honourable intentions?

Uh until I actually walk out the store without having paid for something, or have done something else clearly criminal like hide the goods under my coat in an attempt to conceal them so I can walk out without paying for them, I haven't done anything wrong. And to assume that I will, until I have, is discriminatory.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Women and children are always vulnerable, but not all men are bad. Do you honestly think that bathrooms are inherently higher risk places than say any of the other places people get sexually assaulted?

You see this is the problem - if you equate homosexuality, transgender etc with something inherently bad / wrong, then yes I see your point. Keep the bad people away from women and kids. But here's the small teensy weensy problem with that - gay, trans, rest of the alphabet people are not inherently bad people just waiting for an opportunity in a bathroom to leap on some unsuspecting person and assault them.

This is where I get so upset with the whole lib/conservative paradigm we always find ourselves in in these discussions. Here's a newsflash for everyone on BOTH sides - the world ain't black and white. It's finely nuanced shades of grey ... all the way.

So back to the trans issue - they suffer even worse hatred, bullying, prejudice etc than gay people do (and that's bad enough) plus they have all the body dysphoria issue because of their situation - so when they finally have the courage to dress how they feel so that the outside matches their belief system - they would like to a. be able to go to the bathroom that matches how they present and b. do so without incurring further hatred, prejudices, etc. This is not an unreasonable request.

I presume if someone came to you and said - every time I go to the bathroom I face prejudice and discrimination and I would just like to be able to go pee in peace and safety, you wouldn't be so hardhearted and indifferent to their problem that you would refuse them the right to have a place to pee.

Now that has to be balanced against the fact that not everyone wishes to see other people's genitals, especially not if the genitals are different from the sign on the door. A desire which is also very fair and reasonable. So the solution lies in accommodating both requirements. A decidedly difficult task!

When you start throwing total bullshit into the mix about kids have to be kept safe from predators with the clear implied meaning that gay / trans / etc etc etc are the perverts that the kids need to be kept safe from you lose the plot completely, and just expose your intolerance and prejudice which started the whole problem in the first place - i.e. it was intolerant folks and their prejudices that made the bathroom unsafe for the people you now want to exclude and discriminate against even more ..

As to the question of sexual predators - again, unless you are going to lock up every person on the planet because they 'might' do something - we judge people on their behaviour, like this Yaniv person. He exhibits every textbook behaviour of a sexual predator with fetishes, and pretty much zero behaviour of a person with gender issues. He is a man who is very clear in his own mind about what he wants, and how he is going to get it. The whole crossdressing thing may also be a part of his fetishist fantasy, although I suspect it is simply a means to an end. Sexual predators will play any role that gets them close to their preferred targets.

Hold your horses right there.
I have been a total supporter of gay rights probably for longer than you've been alive, and I have never equated gay people with predators.
But I am an analyst by profession, and the stats tell us - clearly, unambiguously - that males are the prime perpetrators of harm against women and children.
No males in female/children's safe spaces.

 

[Sl8er]

(I'm sorry I have nothing to add...except popcorn maybe)

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Uh until I actually walk out the store without having paid for something, or have done something else clearly criminal like hide the goods under my coat in an attempt to conceal them so I can walk out without paying for them, I haven't done anything wrong. And to assume that I will, until I have, is discriminatory.

Oh. Jesus. You can't read.
I'm off home now. You're getting more than a tad silly.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

On all of 30 seconds reflection, I refuse to believe that anyone posting here is actually as stupid as ZoomZoom appears.
So, whoever is impersonating a silly, empty-headed, non-reasoning female...you can stop now.