Accusations fly at human rights hearing into transgender woman's Brazilian wax complaint

[nightjar]

Could it be that this guy is trolling the whole transgender movement as well as its opponents by taking it to the extreme thereby pointing out silly it can or has become.

I think that someone with a penis talking about having his period is either sharing his strange sense of humour with the world, or should seek psychological help.

Maybe he's bipolar and one half forgets that a pole is part of the original hardware?

 

[kolaval]

Either way he's enjoying the attention...

 

[Ancalagon]

snip

Before the real meat of the post, I thought I'd mention a story. I had recently arrived in the UK, and some brainbox had decided that it would be a good idea to merge the male and female changerooms at the gym so that now there was only one changeroom. Callers were MOST UPSET that some men, particularly older men, liked to walk around naked with their bits dangling. They asked for decency.

If you had asked everyone before you did it, they would have said that merging was a bad idea precisely because of this reason. Men like to walk around with their bits swinging when they can. In the privacy of your own changeroom is one of those times. They unilaterally decided to merge the changerooms and then got upset when some men behaved like they always had. Which basically means that the males were guests in a female changeroom, because they were being shamed for doing what they had always done.

But I digress. My complaint with transgender people is not that they aren't suffering, or deserve help, but actually that they are victims of a culture war being fought by the liberals and to some extent the feminists. Incidentally, some feminists have now become against the idea of transgenderism because of the problem of a trans woman without a uterus making decisions that affect women with uteri.

Something that nobody wants to really examine in detail is the correlation between transgenderism and mental health issues. Everyone assumes that being transgender causes mental health issues, but there is evidence that it is actually the other way around. There is the case of a woman who was sexually abused as a young girl, and thereafter had a sex change to become a man. Years later, now past middle age, she realised that she never really identified as a man, and that it was all a way to escape from the abuse and make sure that she was no longer a target for abuse.

There is another case I read of, a young woman who had a sex change to become a man as soon as she could, and now regrets it, only a few years later. She was I think 18 when she made the decision, and not given proper guidance. The hormones and especially the surgery cannot be reversed, so its a one way process, and sometimes what these troubled people need is just support and help. They need to be removed from abusive environments and maybe they need some counselling.

Yes maybe there are some genuinely transgender people. However, I'd wager the number is much smaller than everyone thinks. The liberals are keen to "believe" anyone that says that they are transgender, which means that the policy is operate first ask questions later. For every person that identifies as transgender, it is a victory for the liberals, and by that I mean it proves what they believe, namely that there is no difference between men and women. They want so desperately for that to be true that they will promote dangerous and irreversible treatment rather than really, genuinely help those in need.

 

[cyberghost47]

Before the real meat of the post, I thought I'd mention a story. I had recently arrived in the UK, and some brainbox had decided that it would be a good idea to merge the male and female changerooms at the gym so that now there was only one changeroom. Callers were MOST UPSET that some men, particularly older men, liked to walk around naked with their bits dangling. They asked for decency.

If you had asked everyone before you did it, they would have said that merging was a bad idea precisely because of this reason. Men like to walk around with their bits swinging when they can. In the privacy of your own changeroom is one of those times. They unilaterally decided to merge the changerooms and then got upset when some men behaved like they always had. Which basically means that the males were guests in a female changeroom, because they were being shamed for doing what they had always done.

But I digress. My complaint with transgender people is not that they aren't suffering, or deserve help, but actually that they are victims of a culture war being fought by the liberals and to some extent the feminists. Incidentally, some feminists have now become against the idea of transgenderism because of the problem of a trans woman without a uterus making decisions that affect women with uteri.

Something that nobody wants to really examine in detail is the correlation between transgenderism and mental health issues. Everyone assumes that being transgender causes mental health issues, but there is evidence that it is actually the other way around. There is the case of a woman who was sexually abused as a young girl, and thereafter had a sex change to become a man. Years later, now past middle age, she realised that she never really identified as a man, and that it was all a way to escape from the abuse and make sure that she was no longer a target for abuse.

There is another case I read of, a young woman who had a sex change to become a man as soon as she could, and now regrets it, only a few years later. She was I think 18 when she made the decision, and not given proper guidance. The hormones and especially the surgery cannot be reversed, so its a one way process, and sometimes what these troubled people need is just support and help. They need to be removed from abusive environments and maybe they need some counselling.

Yes maybe there are some genuinely transgender people. However, I'd wager the number is much smaller than everyone thinks. The liberals are keen to "believe" anyone that says that they are transgender, which means that the policy is operate first ask questions later. For every person that identifies as transgender, it is a victory for the liberals, and by that I mean it proves what they believe, namely that there is no difference between men and women. They want so desperately for that to be true that they will promote dangerous and irreversible treatment rather than really, genuinely help those in need.

In some spaces you could be heavily criticized for condoning the idea that transgender-ism is a from of mental illness, yet the only group of people with higher suicide attempts were the Jews stuck in concentration camps in Nazi Germany.

 

[kolaval]

In some spaces you could be heavily criticized for condoning the idea that transgender-ism is a from of mental illness, yet the only group of people with higher suicide attempts were the Jews stuck in concentration camps in Nazi Germany.

In the concentration camps, this behaviour was paralleled by those who one morning, at
five, refused to get up and go to work and instead stayed in the hut,
on the straw wet with urine and faeces.
Nothing—neither warnings nor threats—could induce them to change their minds.
And then something typical occurred: they took out a cigarette from deep down in a pocket
where they had hidden it and started smoking.
At that moment we knew that for the next forty-eight hours or so we would watch them dying.
Meaning orientation had subsided, and consequently the seeking of immediate pleasure had taken over.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

.

Where does that quote come from? Is it Victor Frankl by any chance?

 

[Emjay]

In some spaces you could be heavily criticized for condoning the idea that transgender-ism is a from of mental illness, yet the only group of people with higher suicide attempts were the Jews stuck in concentration camps in Nazi Germany.

This has been debated before. The WHO declassified transgenderism as a mental health disorder due to pressure from lobbying groups. There was no scientific or medical considerations made when doing this. The current state of transgender medicine is also in a very precarious position. There are only a very few voices who are calling for a more reasonable approach.

And for the morons who are going to take this out of context and call me anti-gay or a transphobe: I am not against transgenders transitioning. I am for more research and less aggressive transition medicine.

 

[kolaval]

Where does that quote come from? Is it Victor Frankl by any chance?

Yup

 

[The Trutherizer]

Honestly I think if an otherwise biological male wants to live the best female life they can then that's fine. However that doesn't give them an excuse to be a dbag. And this oke's a dbag.

 

[Swa]

Except of course when talking about rape, then all men are trash

Some of the crazy thinking behind #menaretrash:



Maybe you should be stopped, for falsely labeling people.



There I was, minding my own business by specifically NOT raping women, until I was accused of doing so because someone else with the same sex as me did it.



Then change the tag to #SOMEmenaretrash



This is so ****ed up!

Imagine for a moment we declare #RapedWomenWereAskingForIt

But wait, we know NOT ALL women dress like sluts cause they want to get raped, but its ok for us to generalize because some women do.
Yet, don't take it personal, you shouldn't feel singled out you are just part of the demographic who digs gold and twerk for sexual attention.
Sorry for you!

Whomever said women make better leaders haven't encountered these feminazis yet.

Did you see how quickly that movement died? Think they realised they were talking trash and doing more harm to women than the issues they actually solved which were exactly zero.

 

[Swa]

Before the real meat of the post, I thought I'd mention a story. I had recently arrived in the UK, and some brainbox had decided that it would be a good idea to merge the male and female changerooms at the gym so that now there was only one changeroom. Callers were MOST UPSET that some men, particularly older men, liked to walk around naked with their bits dangling. They asked for decency.

If you had asked everyone before you did it, they would have said that merging was a bad idea precisely because of this reason. Men like to walk around with their bits swinging when they can. In the privacy of your own changeroom is one of those times. They unilaterally decided to merge the changerooms and then got upset when some men behaved like they always had. Which basically means that the males were guests in a female changeroom, because they were being shamed for doing what they had always done.

But I digress. My complaint with transgender people is not that they aren't suffering, or deserve help, but actually that they are victims of a culture war being fought by the liberals and to some extent the feminists. Incidentally, some feminists have now become against the idea of transgenderism because of the problem of a trans woman without a uterus making decisions that affect women with uteri.

Something that nobody wants to really examine in detail is the correlation between transgenderism and mental health issues. Everyone assumes that being transgender causes mental health issues, but there is evidence that it is actually the other way around. There is the case of a woman who was sexually abused as a young girl, and thereafter had a sex change to become a man. Years later, now past middle age, she realised that she never really identified as a man, and that it was all a way to escape from the abuse and make sure that she was no longer a target for abuse.

There is another case I read of, a young woman who had a sex change to become a man as soon as she could, and now regrets it, only a few years later. She was I think 18 when she made the decision, and not given proper guidance. The hormones and especially the surgery cannot be reversed, so its a one way process, and sometimes what these troubled people need is just support and help. They need to be removed from abusive environments and maybe they need some counselling.

Yes maybe there are some genuinely transgender people. However, I'd wager the number is much smaller than everyone thinks. The liberals are keen to "believe" anyone that says that they are transgender, which means that the policy is operate first ask questions later. For every person that identifies as transgender, it is a victory for the liberals, and by that I mean it proves what they believe, namely that there is no difference between men and women. They want so desperately for that to be true that they will promote dangerous and irreversible treatment rather than really, genuinely help those in need.

This has actually been examined a lot and there is evidence that a lot of these conditions can be treated with anti-depressants. I don't have a problem with someone deciding that's what they are. What I have a problem with is that it's seen as the first line to go to and that speaking against it is seen as being a [insert the catchphrase of the day]phobe when a lot of these people could first of all use help.

 

[buka001]

The court will apply a reasonable persons test.

Is it reasonable to force a female wax salon to wax hair from male genitalia?
Is it reasonable to ask this person to visit a male salon that specialises in waxing of male genitalia?

Which is more reasonable?

Genitalia means squat. He identifies as a woman ergo he is one.

Here's the problem: transwomen are (mostly, with a few level-headed exceptions) insisting that their bodies are female bodies.
You can't make up the level of unreasonableness.

Can we agree that I was right?

BC Human Rights Tribunal rules in favour of female estheticians who refused to wax male genitalia - Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms

VANCOUVER: The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF.ca) is pleased to announce that the BC Human Rights Tribunal has ruled in favour of home estheticians’ right to refuse to handle male genitalia against their will. The decision noted, “human rights legislation does not require a...

www.jccf.ca

The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF.ca) is pleased to announce that the BC Human Rights Tribunal has ruled in favour of home estheticians’ right to refuse to handle male genitalia against their will.

No C-16 bill. No imprisonment. No hysterics, just plain old reason applied as I predicted.

Yaniv has to pay the legal costs of the defendants.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Yaniv has to pay the legal costs of the defendants.

Yes!

 

[ShaunSA]

Can we agree that I was right?

Yay for you! Here's a brownie