Adobe Creative Suite 5 (Photoshop CS5, Acrobat, InDesign CS5, Illustrator, etc)

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AE, IL and PS as well as all the suites bundled with them will only work on 64bit Vista or 7, the other 32bit stand alone applications and Design Standard suite will still work on XP and 32bit version of vista and 7.
If you install say Design Premium on a 32bit operating system Photoshop CS4 will be installed instead of CS5, Photoshop CS5 is native 64bit and CS4 is its 32bit alternative.
Using Design premium on a 32bit machine means you loose all of the CS5 features of Photoshop as it will be installing CS4, same goes with Illustrator and After Effects.

Almost all Processors since P4 if i am correct is 64bit ready, all Core2Duo and Quads as well as the Pentium D and Celeron Dual Cores are all 64bit ready.

If you are still using Windows XP you will not be able to use Photoshop, Illustrator and After Effects as stand alone products. You will still be able to use the other applications like Dreamweaver

That really sucks :mad::mad::mad:
I have win7 32bit installed on my pc... 2 gig ram, Intel E6550 Core 2 Duo CPU... (dunno if i can install a 64bit win7 on there??) but thats beside the point - i dont wanna format and reinstall all the programs that i have on my pc :twisted::twisted::mad::mad:
 

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That really sucks :mad::mad::mad:
I have win7 32bit installed on my pc... 2 gig ram, Intel E6550 Core 2 Duo CPU... (dunno if i can install a 64bit win7 on there??) but thats beside the point - i dont wanna format and reinstall all the programs that i have on my pc :twisted::twisted::mad::mad:

If you wish to use Photoshop, illustrator or After Effects CS5 you have no choice, the new features are system intensive and require the advantages only available with 64bit computing, like more than 4gb RAM, for those components 2gb ram falls as part of the minimum requirements. CS5 was designed to make work faster, it was optimized for use with Intel Based 64bit MAC's and 64bit Win7 PC's, many of the new features, the least of all being content aware will require larger amounts of ram and fast 64bit processing speeds to be able to work at a proper speed. The incompatibility with older systems was probably more for Public and Customer Relations, these features in a 32bit would take at least twice the amount of time to complete in not exponentially longer because of the ram limitations found in 32bit systems.

I saw these features demo'd live on numerous images and i can say for certain that you would want to pull out your hair trying to achieve those simplified tasks like content aware within the limitations of 32bit and 2gb ram, the demo machine they used was a MAC Book Pro with 4gb and those few seconds of waiting on that machine would translate into minutes of waiting on a machine like yours, and that would simply end up pissing off their customers a lot more than forcing them to upgrade to the present.

They not saying you must buy 6 core i7's with 48gb of RAM, all they require is what has been on the market for over 3 years already, and trust me, if you went to 64bit you would see the performance difference instantly, i did a test, i did work in the 32bit version of Photoshop, and then did the same work in the 64bit, the first thing you notice is the 32bit application takes 3 times longer to open, its memory management is slow and its precessing is, well... 32bit...sloooow.

A decent Dual Core Intel or AMD with 2 - 4gb ram and a 64bit OS is more than an acceptable requirement for the benefits you will gain out of the upgrade.
I went 64bit a few years back and i will sooner cut off both my legs and arms before going back to that 32bit trash, besides in 2 years time the market is upgrading to 128bit processing, the 12 core processors that will be launched in 2012 will require it, and from what i have read it sounds like win7 is the last time MS will be releasing a 32bit OS, win8 or whatever it is going to be called may only be released in 64 and 128bit.

Personally i rather have adobe force me to go 64 than microsoft, i like Adobe, i hate MS, im sure many of us do and many of us wish we could go to a nice linux where all our lovely windows apps like adobe would work without any hassels.
 

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That really sucks :mad::mad::mad:
I have win7 32bit installed on my pc... 2 gig ram, Intel E6550 Core 2 Duo CPU... (dunno if i can install a 64bit win7 on there??) but thats beside the point - i dont wanna format and reinstall all the programs that i have on my pc :twisted::twisted::mad::mad:
You can run 64-bit no problem. But wow, what a pain to have to re-install everything.

I saw these features demo'd live on numerous images and i can say for certain that you would want to pull out your hair trying to achieve those simplified tasks like content aware within the limitations of 32bit and 2gb ram, the demo machine they used was a MAC Book Pro with 4gb and those few seconds of waiting on that machine would translate into minutes of waiting on a machine like yours, and that would simply end up pissing off their customers a lot more than forcing them to upgrade to the present.
A Macbook Pro isn't much faster at all than his PC, they are both Core 2 Duo's. I don't know, 64-bit is faster on large datasets but is it really that much faster for everything? This is gonna annoy a lot of people.
 

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You can run 64-bit no problem. But wow, what a pain to have to re-install everything.

A Macbook Pro isn't much faster at all than his PC, they are both Core 2 Duo's. I don't know, 64-bit is faster on large datasets but is it really that much faster for everything? This is gonna annoy a lot of people.

Thats the bloody stupidity of it... i have to reinstall everything.... :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 

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http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/mastercollection/systemreqs/
It supports XP, 64-bit is only required for Adobe Premiere Pro and After Effects.

Photoshop as well, they made a point of discussing that specifically, with Photoshop the CS4 will be installed on a non 64Bit OS.
There Channel Manger for Africa himself clarified that for us, i may of mixed up Illustrator with Premier Pro, but the Photoshop thing discussed in depth and repeated.

All except the 3 Programs that are native 64 will work on XP.
 

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still :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

unless i can upgrade my os from 32 to 64 bit without losing any data or programs (& settings), which i dont think i can do :mad::mad::mad:
 

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As far as i know that about as impossible as living in the vacuum of space, they are too different for any upgrading to be possible the are definitive differences between the kernel and dll files of 64bit and 32bit, its pretty much the difference between windows and linux really.
 

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As far as i know that about as impossible as living in the vacuum of space, they are too different for any upgrading to be possible the are definitive differences between the kernel and dll files of 64bit and 32bit, its pretty much the difference between windows and linux really.

GREAT :mad::mad::mad::mad:

And i was so excited about using that content aware thingy :mad::mad:
 

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Thtas 1 of the reasons Photoshop requires 64bit, the processing for that function wont work nearly as well under 32bit.

I can understand that but what pisses me off is that why didn't they still supply the functionality of cs5 but just slower? I'm not a speed freak and don't expect my content aware to be done in split seconds, i dont mind waiting a few seconds to get the same effect if it saves me reformatting and reinstalling everything

IMO Adobe = fail
 

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I can understand that but what pisses me off is that why didn't they still supply the functionality of cs5 but just slower? I'm not a speed freak and don't expect my content aware to be done in split seconds, i dont mind waiting a few seconds to get the same effect if it saves me reformatting and reinstalling everything

IMO Adobe = fail

You must understand, content aware is not the only new feature, there are over 250, many of them cross linked between applications, and besides most users upgraded to 64bit systems long ago, all of the new MAC systems are 64bit so there is 45% of their distribution already in a position to not worry and most designers, the guys who use this software for a living upgraded to 64bit with CS4 already simply so that they can use 4gb+ RAM as applications like PS, IL, AE, Premier can all take very good advantage of higher quantities of ram to speed up their processing, the way the market is shifting there is becoming less and less need for native 32bit applications, 64bit is exponentially faster, your overall system performance greatly increases at 4gb RAM compared to 2GB.

Your just upset because you made the mistake of sticking with old technology and now because of that you cannot get your way, unfortunately life moves in only 1 direction, and that is forward, 32bit is the past, 64bit is the present and 128bit is the future, look even with vista games starting integrating 64bit so that their game would be able to utilize the performance if given the chance, Assasins Creed and Crysis had dedicated 64bit process launchers which performed better on a 64bit system than the 32bit mode did.

For the greater good Adobe is doing what is needed, if you wanting the time saving performance that they offering on CS5 you need a 64bit system, otherwise you may as well stick with CS4 as you wont experience the enhancements they made, you obviously don't use Photoshop to you monthly rent otherwise you would not be going through this rant as your system would already be 64bit and have at least 4gb ram, if not 8gb. You just wish to play with content aware, have some fun, and that's not what Adobe spent the last year+ developing all these enhanced features for, content aware and all the other features were designed to save designers, photo editors, video editors and many more ppl in all design related industries countless hours and hours of time spent working on annoying tasks.

Every designer i know has already upgraded to 64bit at least a year ago, use 4 - 8gb of ram and quad core C2Q's or i5/i7's and they make their livings off these machines and the work they do with applications like Adobe and they are the ones who will be spending the few thousand upgrading to CS5 or the few thousands more buying new licences and saving themselves countless hours, if not days worth of work, without those 64bit quad cores with 4gb+ ram they would not be able to do their work in any market competitive time frame, i myself am in the design industry and from what i have seen with content aware a photo that would take 1 - 2 entire work days to completely edit and touch up could be finished in under an hour, all that because of 64bit performance, i now finally have an excuse to buy another 4gb RAM, because i finally have an application with functions that can abuse it for me.
 

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I don't see why it's such a big deal to reinstall windows.....

cause its backing up data, noting intalled programs, saving bookmarks, formatting, reinstalling windows, reintalling noted programs, replacing backed up data....

its a bloody mission for 1 or 2 programs IMO :mad:
 

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cause its backing up data, noting intalled programs, saving bookmarks, formatting, reinstalling windows, reintalling noted programs, replacing backed up data....

its a bloody mission for 1 or 2 programs IMO :mad:

That simply means you need to re-evaluate your storage system, i myself keep most everything i can off drive C and get 3rd party apps to do instant backups of things like bookmarks, easiest way is to get MozBack for FF or Parhelia tools for chrome and backup the entire profile in 1 shot, all my documents, games, save files, etc are on drive d through g so from decision to complete is 2 hours for me, i have a folder prepped and ready on my drive will all my apps that i use categorised in folders for installation simplicity, securty in 1 folder, then drivers in another etc so i can easily follow the fastest way to get things done. and i am including the 35 min install time for CS4 master collection in that 2 hours as well as the reboots after essential apps and drivers.

Such things are only too much effort if your not prepared, i do not format often but i prefer to be prepared for the worst, using apps like mozback and parhelia tools u can make regular backups so in the event an unplanned format is required your never too far behind with the important things like bookmarks.

To you i may seem a bit paranoid, but i much prefer that to the alternative, it must be those years in Scouts, but the motto "Be Prepared" comes in really handy when your PC decides it no longer likes you.

And again, the need to format is entirely your fault, if you had stayed in the present instead of the past you would of already been prepared for the future instead you choose to blame adobe for doing exactly what you refused to do, move forward...
 

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That simply means you need to re-evaluate your storage system, i myself keep most everything i can off drive C and get 3rd party apps to do instant backups of things like bookmarks, easiest way is to get MozBack for FF or Parhelia tools for chrome and backup the entire profile in 1 shot, all my documents, games, save files, etc are on drive d through g so from decision to complete is 2 hours for me, i have a folder prepped and ready on my drive will all my apps that i use categorised in folders for installation simplicity, securty in 1 folder, then drivers in another etc so i can easily follow the fastest way to get things done. and i am including the 35 min install time for CS4 master collection in that 2 hours as well as the reboots after essential apps and drivers.

Such things are only too much effort if your not prepared, i do not format often but i prefer to be prepared for the worst, using apps like mozback and parhelia tools u can make regular backups so in the event an unplanned format is required your never too far behind with the important things like bookmarks.

To you i may seem a bit paranoid, but i much prefer that to the alternative, it must be those years in Scouts, but the motto "Be Prepared" comes in really handy when your PC decides it no longer likes you.

And again, the need to format is entirely your fault, if you had stayed in the present instead of the past you would of already been prepared for the future instead you choose to blame adobe for doing exactly what you refused to do, move forward...

seems very predantic to me ??? :confused: i like to be able to install programs into program files on the c drive. i still feel adobe should offer 32bit support for 32bit users that dont mind waiting for things to happen...
 

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seems very predantic to me ??? :confused: i like to be able to install programs into program files on the c drive. i still feel adobe should offer 32bit support for 32bit users that dont mind waiting for things to happen...

So you still do that in 64bit, there is just a 2nd folder for the older 32bit aps, i said i store things like my documents, music etc on another drive so that when formatting the only data i loose are temp files and program files that i would have to re-install anyway.

There biggest market consists of client who are sick of waiting, before starting with CS5 they went through to most of their registered clients across the globe asking what they would like to see in a future release and the only answer that every single client gave was "more speed" every single client wanted to do things faster, wanted the applications to process faster and have tools that allowed to achieve goals faster, every client who bought a licence copy, IE all the companies, design firms, schools/colleges/universities are registered with adobe so they had a list that count for about 80% of their client base as they cannot track retail box sales unless the client willingly registers.

You are probably the only person who says i will rather wait as opposed to moving forward, but again these programs are not your bread and butter, so lack of speed has no affect on your ability to pay your rent, buy your food and clothe yourself, for a designer that 64bit quad core system with 4gb+ ram is their life's blood it along with adobe pays their rent, food and other living expenses so for them speed is everything, the sooner a job is done the sooner you can get paid. Even if they charge for there work on an hourly rate it may end at less money per client, but you end up with more clients.

Its like choosing a bicycle over a car because the car goes too fast, the 21st centuary so far has all been about speed, we have gone from single core computers to 6 cores in only a few years with 12 cores in research and intel having just released 48 core server chips for beta testing, cellphones now have built in gpu's, cars are faster, the internet is faster, everything is about speed and going forward, going faster, yet you prefer the lack of speed.

Honestly, why should they cater for the 1, 2, 10 in a million that are too stubborn to upgrade to 64bit, that are too stubborn to move tot he present, CD5 was a complete rebuild, i think it was 85mil lines of code across the 14 applications, CS5 was not an upgrade or a build up from CS4, they started at byte 0 and worked from there speeding up old features, putting the new ones and ultimately proving a much greater performing application that leaves an over all smaller footprint on the system when compared to HDD, RAM and CPU usage of the older version, if they had to create the market pointless 32bit version so that the stubborn 1% could wait longer for the same thing to happen it would of set the launch back months and for what, it has no financial benefit to them and those that are happy to wait are welcome to stick with CS4, live in the past and do things the old fashioned way while the rest of the world leaves them in their dust.
 

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So you still do that in 64bit, there is just a 2nd folder for the older 32bit aps, i said i store things like my documents, music etc on another drive so that when formatting the only data i loose are temp files and program files that i would have to re-install anyway.

There biggest market consists of client who are sick of waiting, before starting with CS5 they went through to most of their registered clients across the globe asking what they would like to see in a future release and the only answer that every single client gave was "more speed" every single client wanted to do things faster, wanted the applications to process faster and have tools that allowed to achieve goals faster, every client who bought a licence copy, IE all the companies, design firms, schools/colleges/universities are registered with adobe so they had a list that count for about 80% of their client base as they cannot track retail box sales unless the client willingly registers.

You are probably the only person who says i will rather wait as opposed to moving forward, but again these programs are not your bread and butter, so lack of speed has no affect on your ability to pay your rent, buy your food and clothe yourself, for a designer that 64bit quad core system with 4gb+ ram is their life's blood it along with adobe pays their rent, food and other living expenses so for them speed is everything, the sooner a job is done the sooner you can get paid. Even if they charge for there work on an hourly rate it may end at less money per client, but you end up with more clients.

Its like choosing a bicycle over a car because the car goes too fast, the 21st centuary so far has all been about speed, we have gone from single core computers to 6 cores in only a few years with 12 cores in research and intel having just released 48 core server chips for beta testing, cellphones now have built in gpu's, cars are faster, the internet is faster, everything is about speed and going forward, going faster, yet you prefer the lack of speed.

Honestly, why should they cater for the 1, 2, 10 in a million that are too stubborn to upgrade to 64bit, that are too stubborn to move tot he present, CD5 was a complete rebuild, i think it was 85mil lines of code across the 14 applications, CS5 was not an upgrade or a build up from CS4, they started at byte 0 and worked from there speeding up old features, putting the new ones and ultimately proving a much greater performing application that leaves an over all smaller footprint on the system when compared to HDD, RAM and CPU usage of the older version, if they had to create the market pointless 32bit version so that the stubborn 1% could wait longer for the same thing to happen it would of set the launch back months and for what, it has no financial benefit to them and those that are happy to wait are welcome to stick with CS4, live in the past and do things the old fashioned way while the rest of the world leaves them in their dust.

Are you a rep/have shares in/get your income from adobe? lol, seems like it??
 

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Are you a rep/have shares in/get your income from adobe? lol, seems like it??

Not at all, i pay them for there software, i just understand business and the logistics behind it, didn't hurt being at the product brief, they did talk about marketing and sales strategy's.
 
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