Adobe gets back at Apple, HTC wants iPhone out of USA

[cerebus]

The problem is that for every negative point about Apple there's an equally valid negative about every phone manufacturer. Nokia's last flagship phones were complete disasters. They focused on the spec sheet - as you're doing - and ignored UI and apps - which actually matter far more to the average consumer. Now they're trying to get back with ^3, and I have to reserve judgement till I've tried it, but I had such bad experiences with Symbian that I'm totally put off them. iPhone isn't perfect but it is the best phone I've personally ever used.

Now see...sometimes you sound like a total troll, and sometimes you sound quite rational in your points. Assagai is pretty spot on..

 

[Rouxenator]

I would not go that far, I mean, 5+ megapixel cameras does not really have a negative side to them? Nor does the ability to send files and music via bluetooth? Some Nokia flagship phones have been a little over hyped yes, but calling them a complete disaster - that hardly explains their popularity. True, some of them are a little rushed and early firmwares are often less pleasant to work with - but you can always apply the "wait till SP1 is out" approach to them and then you end up with brilliant hardware running brilliant software.
Just as RIM is fixing up their UI, so does Nokia. Their UI is very sleek and friendly these days - plus it is constantly improving. Basically it boils down to what matter most - if absolute ease of use and UI appeal is all that matters then you really cannot go wrong with the iPhone. If this like flexibility, the ethics of the company behind it, product line options, open platform and so on matters then Symbian is a pretty good contender.

 

[Synaesthesia]

You should really use the iPhone before judging it, as with anything. Speed matters and responsiveness matters, and ease of use matters a lot. It all lets you do things faster and easier!

 

[cerebus]

http://gizmodo.com/5308440/nokia-n97-review-nokia-is-doomed

I'd call that a disaster.

 

[Synaesthesia]

http://gizmodo.com/5308440/nokia-n97-review-nokia-is-doomed

I'd call that a disaster.

Oh dear. Where's Meamo? come on nokia!

 

[rorz0r]

Screw the iphone... Try a motorolo droid, htc desire or se x10 rather...

 

[rorz0r]

Oh dear. Where's Meamo? come on nokia!

It merged with moblin and became meego. ie. release is imminent.

 

[Rouxenator]

N97 before V30 was crap - agreed. But remember, Nokia has an extensive range of phones, they are not a one pony race - and in their portfolio there are other phones that worked well at the stage when the N97 was still in its infancy.

 

[Synaesthesia]

They better come with some newer and better software soon, the mobile space is getting very crowded. Soon we'll have iPhone OS 4.0, Android 2.2, Palm Pre + HP together, Windows Mobile 7 all competing for the smartphone space.

What would be cool is a nokia phone running an Intel atom @ 32nm with Meego.

 

[cerebus]

The problem Nokia currently faces is that there are a TON of smartphones other than the iPhone for users who do actually want the features that iPhone lacks. And any one of them will wipe the floor with any current Nokia phone. HTC is constantly refining their Android stables and Sense UI... the Legend, Desire and Evo 4G are incredibly full featured phones..overwhelmingly so. Then you have Samsung Galaxy, Sony Xperia 2, Acer Liquid, Toshiba G01, and so on and so on.

Nokia simply doesn't have the software to compete as a bona fide smartphone, so all that's left to them is to go for either the N97 approach - chuck everything in and hope it sticks - or the 5800xm/x6 approach - make a cheap, cheerful media phone with no pretensions to offering the same functionality as a real smartphone. Problem with the first approach is that it was rendered obsolete three years ago when the iPhone debuted; whereas with the second approach, technological depreciation means that iphone 3g is fast approaching the zero pay-in mark, at which point why would anyone for the same money prefer a Nokia phone to an iPhone?

 

[Rouxenator]

Strange that for the last 10 years people have been predicting the downfall of Nokia (and Microsoft for that matter). While you do have some valid points like the iPhone 4G is coming out, Android is on phones and Sony is making an Xperia 2 - the rest is just the same "here comes doom and gloom for nokia" nonsense that has been blown out of the water (yearly) if you look at their market presence. That is purely because the package as a whole (hardware and software) is still better than the rest, and so is the product line up.

 

[cerebus]

Which part of their product lineup is better than the rest? What exactly does Nokia have to compete on the level of its competitors' (HTC, Apple, Samsung, Acer etc) smartphones? Nobody's disputing that they make great phones at a very massmarket level, and they will continue to excel at that, but at the level you're talking about, comparing the 5800xm to the iPhone is like comparing a Tazz to a Z4 and then complaining because the Z4 only has 2 seats.

 

[Rouxenator]

In that case, the Z4 has a lot less than only -2 seats. It has a bigger window but you can see less detail through it. You need to chip it before it will drive on all roads and you can switch gears while having the radio on and having a conversation with your passenger. The Z4 will not allow access to the boot for any luggage, only special branded luggage that you are only allowed to load at one predefined garage. You will not be able to load anything from someones else's boot directly into the boot of the Z4. Your passengers must all be preselected and cleared by BMW before you can take them for a ride in your Z4. Passengers and luggage are not allowed to be flashy at all. And lastly, to some people you will still look like a p035 in 'n BMW

 

[cerebus]

Doesn't matter, point remains.

 

[Rouxenator]

It sure does. Shame, poor BMW drivers, they are always called names...

 

[thed33p]

Shouldn't you be playing in the the Symbian sub-forum? Oh wait....