ADSL vs MyWireless

SpecialYouth

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Hey Guys,
Ive looked through these forums so many times trying to find which one of these services would be best for me.On one hand,ADSL is a supposedly fast,always online connection,but by looking at the ADSL forum here,its obviously isnt great.One the other hand,MyWireless is an uncapped,always online connection,but also has many shortcomings.[xx(]

I guess what im looking for is always online,with some good d/l speeds.

Erm...and suggestions[?]
 

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In my opinion the best setup atm is 256k MyWireless for up to 50+ gigs downloads per month and a bit of browsing etc.
Plus 64k ISDN for gaming, great pings etc and if you manage it well, the 2 together should not cost you more than R1200 pm
Where else can you get that [;)]

ADSL will give you 17 hours of downloads and everything comes to a grinding halt.

I have ADSL and 256k MyWireless and use ADSL for uploading and gaming only, the rest I do on MyWireless.


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SpecialYouth,

Be weary of MyWireless if you are in an area with dense service penetration. Like ADSL, MyWireless is shared bandwidth, but the contention ratio seems to be much worse. On MyWireless, the bandwidth seems to be shared between all users on the same AP.

With the advertised contention ratios, the 128kbps MyWireless connection is only guaranteed to run at the same speed as a 14.4kbps modem. The 512kbps connection is only guaranteed to run at the same speed as a 33.6kbps modem.

ADSL users on the same DSLAM also share bandwidth. Usually, the DSLAM has a 2MBps connection to the SAIX network. If you are in an area where very few people use ADSL, you will be getting supreme bandwidth. Basically, if there are only four active users on your DSLAM, you can expect the full 512kbps transfer rate at all times.

Verdict, basically the two services are more or less identical in terms of availability and speed. Meaning, if you have either and you live in an area where many other people are using the same service, don't expect much of it.

In terms of capability, it depends what your highest priority is. If you are looking to download huge amounts of data, the standard internet over ADSL offerings definitely aren't for your. You could also go for the TelkomInternet 4GB unshaped offering, but that's a small difference in terms of traffic volume when compared to the normal 3GB package. The huge price difference and hard lock capping (you are totally disconnected after 4GB) make this option unacceptable.

If you are looking to spend some money, you could go for DataPro's business ADSL offering. Rental and line included it will cost more or less R2000 per month. This gives you uncapped and unshaped ADSL a nifty server installed on your premises and managed by them.

If the price on DataPro's offering is too steep, you could look at MyWireless. The 128kbps offering, if you are lucky, will give you speeds comparable to dual ISDN, for under R700 per month. For the same maximum possible throughput as ADSL, you will need to go for the 512kbps option, which will put you back about R1500 per month. MyWireless is not limited in terms of total traffic volume, but is limited to 1GB of incoming transfers per day.

If you need a service with relatively low latency to local servers and minimal packet loss, MyWireless is not for you. Generally, latency is high and packet loss can occur at random, slowing bulk transfer connections and severely disrupting real time connections like video conferencing. You might also find that service varies depending on the time of day, temperature, etc.

Long range (over 500 meter) wireless connections can suffer from disruptions due to changes in the ionosphere, the temperature in the lower atmosphere and frequent geomagnetic storms caused by solar flares. Powerful geomagnetic storms (caused by flares rated X5 and above) will knock out your connection completely for at least 12 hours. These occur at least once every two years.

If I might provide some advise, if your area is extremely densely populated by heavy internet users who make use of any of the services, don't purchase either of them. Instead, stick to ISDN.

I am very lucky to live in Bloemfontein, we have no MyWireless coverage here and ADSL is not advertised in local papers or billboards, as it seems to be in some centres.

Large scale ADSL adoption in Bloemfontein has been limited to businesses. DSLAMs in the industrial and financial districts are heavily overloaded and bandwidth during peak hours is rarely better than 64kbps ISDN.

In residential areas however, the service has been remarkably unsuccessfull in Bloemfontein. Even in the northern suburbs where the most well off Bloemfonteins reside, it doesn't seem to have made an impression.

Mostly, Bloemfonteiners are not willing to spend much money on home internet connections. Spending R100 per month on a dial-up account seems excessive to most. Those who do want permanent connections usually just find a job where the employer has ADSL installed anyway.

The consequence of this is that in the area where I live, Universitas, the DSLAM seems to be severely underutilised. Even in peak hours, I do not seem to share the 2MBps the DSLAM can provide with many other users. At most, I estimate that there are 8 very active users on the Universitas DSLAM. This means, even in peak time, my maximum throughput rarely drops below 250kbps. [}:)]

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SpecialYouth

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Hmm,well im in Mount Edgecombe Golf Estate,which is around the Phoenix/Sugar Mill Casino area there.The local exchange is in Phoenix,and im pretty sure there arent that many users around here.But still...that cap poses a problem. Im still undecided.
 

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SpecialYouth,

You might have a problem there.

As far as I can remember, Mt. Edgecombe is quite some distance from Phoenix. I might be wrong though, my KZN geograhy isn't as up to speed as it should be, but if the Phoenix exchange is more than 5km away from your current location, you won't be able to use ADSL at all.

Limitations intrinsic to ADSL technology make it useless unless there is contiguous copper between your location and the exchange and you are within 5km of the exchange.

If there are radio or fiber links in between, or if you are more than 5km from the exchange, you won't be able to use ADSL.

In that case, your options are quite limited. Either, you will need to get Sentech's MyWireless solution once it launches there, or, you will have to stick to ISDN.

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If the cap is a problem, you can always take a look at www.ods.co.za , they offer an uncapped service that involves proxy servers and other stuff. As far as I know, your first 3GB are as usual, and then you're switched over to a somewhat slower (about 15-20KB/sec I'm told) connection, but that's still a whole lot better than the practically unusable speeds when capped usually. They have a number of different packages available, cheapest of which is R500 if I'm not mistaken.
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">DataPro's business ADSL offering... gives you uncapped and unshaped ADSL<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Ucapped yes, <b>unshaped</b> no (a.f.a.i.k). According to their web-site:

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http://www.datapro.co.za/Products/bus_adsl.html
 

SpecialYouth

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Podo,Telkom has assured me that i can get an ADSL connection from my position...but it might be an empty promise.If i can get an ADSL Line,do you agree that Phoenix isnt really an ADSL hotspot and that the contention will be very low?
 

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sybawoods,

Oh dear, make that uncapped and shaped ADSL. Thanks for the correction. [:)]

SpecialYouth,

Before you can be absolutely certain about coverage, you'll have to get Telkom to come and do a compliance test at your premises, they should come out with a testing unit and a second technician will plug in a loop box at the exchange side.

From past experiences I've had with Telkom and getting ADSL rolled out to customers I used to do support for, unless they have done the compliance test, there's no way of knowing wether you are covered or not. [:(]

As for contention, if my geography isn't completely off, Phoenix is in or close to an industrial area. If the industries depend heavily on internet access, you might face some contention, but definitely not as much as you would in a financial district or affluent suburban area with high take-up.

If the industries are largely oblivious of internet usage, you can expect very low contention. The only possible bandwidth hogs in your immediate vicinity are the casinos. If they have Telkom T-zone wireless hotspots, the wireless users will also be contending for the bandwidth at your DSLAM.

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SpecialYouth

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Then maybe go with ProASM's reccomendation and get the 512 MyWireless package? Tranportable,always on,and fast.But from what ive heard it isnt to great,can any durban users vouch for it?
Argh,no matter which one i get im going to regret it [:(][|)]
 

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SpecialYouth, I would not go for MyWireless 512 in Durban, it does not perform well.
256 is pretty good most the time and half the price almost.
Regarding ADSL, I'm connected to the LaLucia exchange which is probably the busiest in Durban and I have never notice a slowing down on my ADSL.
Oh and podo, your statement "but is limited to 1GB of incoming transfers per day" is for 128k users. 256k and 512k are 2 GB per day.
Granted we are currently having some bandwidth problems (mainly JHB), but I can assure you once the SNO is in operation MW will fly.
Also regarding the weather effects, dont know where you go that info from podo, it may effect the 802 wireless operations but certainly not MW.


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SpecialYouth

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Hmmm.Ok.But still,im sorry to drag this on,but both have their good and bad qualities,and i cant afford both..Hmmmmmm.....
 

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It really does depend what you want it for. If pings are an issue (i.e for gaming etc) then MW is totally out of the question. If downloading is your thing, MW is a better option than ADSL, but then you have to put up with the undeniably bad customer service that Sentech are providing at the moment (will likely improve with time though), plus sign a ridiculous 24-month contract.

You can get 12-month contracts (not sure if Sentech is doing those, but resellers are for sure), but then you have to buy the modem up-front for R3500. Our dealings with a reseller (ODS) were terrible to say the least which is why we dropped the MW idea and went with ADSL instead - as crap as Telkom may be, they at least had someone to talk to on the phone.

Maybe do some more looking around on these boards or use the Search tool, I'm sure there are others who have had similar dilemmas to yourself. You might also want to check out the MyWireless board and see what the people there have had to say about MW, and maybe even check if it's in your area.
 

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ProAsm,

2GB per day for the 256kbps and 512kbps users, duly noted, thanks.

As for the weather info. As far as I am aware, the kind of phenomena I was referring to will generally effect any radio technology, even cellular phones and normal FM radios, TV signals, basically anything that can be even remotely classified as being a radio.

I will admit, large geomagnetic storms are extremely rare, but they do occur from time to time. Their effects can range from simply causing minor interference on some frequency bands, to completely disabling all radio and radar on the sun lit side of the earth for a day or more.

You can find information on the effects of these storms in the NOAA Space Weather Scales, available at: http://www.sec.noaa.gov/NOAAscales/

Basically, any geomagnetic storm rated G4 or stronger, any solar radiation flare rated S4 or stronger and any solar x-ray flare rated X3 or stronger will severely impact any radio services, especially in high frequency bands.

From what I have been lead to believe, MW operates in the 2.5GHz frequency band, just above the ISM band in which 802.11 operates. These are both extremely high frequencies and it is reasonable to assume that any phenomena effecting radio equipment in the ISM band will have a virtually identical effect on radio just above it, in this case, the band MW uses.

A highly ionised lower atmosphere can also have an adverse effect on high frequency radio equipment. This can occur before or during hail storms, electrical storms and dust storms.

In conditions of extreme heat, high frequency radio signals can also be severely impacted. Since the micro waves in these bands are very short, they can be easily dampened by extreme heat rising from the surface, by air particles physically bending the electromagnetic wave upwards. The effect will be that receivers far from a base station will perceive a noticeable degradation in signal strength, in extreme cases, even total signal loss.

Points at a very high elevation relative to the base station might perceive an improvement in the quality of incoming signals as the wave is being manipulated upward by particles rising from the surface.

The effect on the electromagnetic wave is similar to the phenomena which cause the range of sound on the surface to be much reduced at warm surface temperatures. It is also what causes light to bend in such a way that mirages appear over extremely hot surface areas.

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The only real problem we experience is when it rains hard and the user is relying on his little modem antenna.
Basically the walls and glass on the windows of the house get soaked and act as a shield thus he runs out of signal, but if there is an outside antenna that problem does not appear.
The kind of problem you are refering to mainly effects great distance transmissions like Satellites etc.
Approx every 2 years we experience this at our control centers that the signal completely dissapears for around 10 minutes a day till the ionesphere activity passes.
Its for this reason we use 2 satellites on different orbits for our Radio and TV transmissions to minimize this effect.
But local 2.5g transmissions at 5 ks is highly unlikely except for the rain issue mentioned above.

Also regarding the 1 or 2 gig per day issue, there really is no limit, but if we see someone constantly maxing out over a period of time, we will mail him or throttle him during peak times.
Currently we notice new users come on and in the first 6 weeks they download the whole of the internet and then its over and they just use it like everyone else.
This is something that Telkom dont seem to understand.
At the end of the day its less than 1% of users that remain maxing their system and there are many ways of taking care of them rather than a stupid 3 gig cap for everyone.


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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Also regarding the 1 or 2 gig per day issue, there really is no limit, but if we see someone constantly maxing out over a period of time, we will mail him or throttle him during peak times.
Currently we notice new users come on and in the first 6 weeks they download the whole of the internet and then its over and they just use it like everyone else.
This is something that Telkom dont seem to understand.
At the end of the day its less than 1% of users that remain maxing their system and there are many ways of taking care of them rather than a stupid 3 gig cap for everyone.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Well said.
Maybe Telkom do understand, but don't know how to implement such a system. I'm getting to the point where I believe that a Company like Telkom is basically top heavy and has become a beast and hard to control.
For example, how long does it take for board decisions to filter out to ground level? In my business it's instantaneous.
It indicates that Telkom is too big and should possible do some "unbundling". I put this in inverted commas as this can be interpreted in many ways. Like other Telecom giants like BC and SBC, they palmed out much of the day to day stuff to smaller ISP's and the like. Whereas Telkom only has SAIX and it is basically a representation of itself. We need new blood to fuel a restructure of Telecommunications in SA. Possibly the SNO, but I would prefer it to originate from Private Enterprise, then you will see big things happening as all the brains out their will filter out of the woodwork, so to speak
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