Advocate Billy Downer wants Zuma to put up R1m as security if he wants to privately prosecute

[Tman*]

Litigation in any High Court, Appeals Court or Constitutional Court is extremely expensive just to get the matter on the court roll - and this does not even include legal costs. Zuma is about to learn a lesson about these costs.

Zuma didn't even pay his home loan, with zero consequence.

Never mind paying his own legal bills.

 

[rvZA]

Zuma family are billionaires. One of his sons probably still lurks here.

Wasn't the High Court, Appeals Court and Constitutional Courts supposed to be free without the need of things like this? I remember something like this vaguely when someone said courts are free to all.

 

[surface]

That's a very good move from Downer, especially since a successful prosecution is not exactly what uBaba was aiming for, all he wants to do is start the process then use that to motivate why Downer should recuse himself from his trial.

Is there a precedent for such big amount though? I mean 1 Mil is not big but the crybaby & his crybaby lawyer is sure to cry.

 

[rvZA]

Is there a precedent for such big amount though? I mean 1 Mil is not big but the crybaby & his crybaby lawyer is sure to cry.

1 mil is small change. It is common in most civil cases. I remember some Absa Case where the courts ordered the party to put down R25m. Going to litigation is crazy expensive in SA.

 

[TheChamp]

Is there a precedent for such big amount though? I mean 1 Mil is not big but the crybaby & his crybaby lawyer is sure to cry.

I haven't heard of any where the costs are supposed to be guaranteed but I do think it's a very solid argument and would be a masterstroke from Downer if it succeeds, there is already plenty evidence of Zuma owing people tons of money, money which he has claimed he can't afford to pay, so we'll see I guess.

 

[R13...]

Zuma didn't even pay his home loan, with zero consequence.

Never mind paying his own legal bills.

The "loan" was never meant to be repaid. The public money he gave over to the "bank" for the thieves to loot was all the payment intended.

 

[TheChamp]

The sooner VBS and the others garnishes his salary the better, he can then explain where does he find money to pay Dali as well as the private prosecution.

 

[ForceFate]

Wasn't the High Court, Appeals Court and Constitutional Courts supposed to be free without the need of things like this? I remember something like this vaguely when someone said courts are free to all.

But Downer said in papers filed in the KwaZulu-Natal High Court in Pietermaritzburg, that R1 million was necessary to "provide security that is sufficient to meet the probable costs which may be incurred in respect of my defence in the private prosecution" if the prosecution fails.

Downer said he and the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) had engaged the services of senior counsel and two junior counsels for his defence.

The senior counsel's charges in the matter amount to R54 000 per day and R5 400 per hour, and the combined charges of both junior counsels are R45 000 per day and R4 500 per hour.

Who's going to pay Zuma's punitive costs if he loses? Lawyers are expensive.

 

[surface]

They own the land King Shaka Airport is built on. I don't even want to know how much they get a month by leasing the land to government. That right there was a proper shenanigans if there ever was one.

Zuma family owns this land? Source ?

 

[RonSwanson]

Small change. If I were Downer I would insist on 10-15 million, then drag the case out a bit so that none gets returned.

 

[surface]

Small change. If I were Downer I would insist on 10-15 million, then drag the case out a bit so that none gets returned.

How would it work in practice though? Downer would ask for 15 million and Zuma would plead poverty and offer 1500 rands.

Average of those 2 ?

 

[R13...]

Small change. If I were Downer I would insist on 10-15 million, then drag the case out a bit so that none gets returned.

Delays wouldn't work, Zuma just wants the case to hang around long enough for him to argue for Downer's removal and once that gets achieved or fails he'll quickly drop the thing and laugh off to his compound in Nkandla.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Small change. If I were Downer I would insist on 10-15 million, then drag the case out a bit so that none gets returned.

Downer wants this case gone asap... its being used to try get him removed from the corruption case.

 

[surface]

Delays wouldn't work, Zuma just wants the case to hang around long enough for him to argue for Downer's removal and once that gets achieved or fails he'll quickly drop the thing and laugh off to his compound in Nkandla.

Zuma just wants frivolous cases long enough till he dies. After that it is not his problem anymore.

 

[R13...]

Downer wants this case gone asap... its being used to try get him removed from the corruption case.

I doubt a judge would buy Zuma's inception argument. But of course Zuma will keep appealing to keep the actual trial from kicking off for as long as he can. He just needs to keep it from trial until he sees who wins the ANC conference. If his puppet wins then he'll get the case thrown out otherwise I expect he'll cause more riots or give up.

 

[wingnut771]

Zuma just wants frivolous cases long enough till he dies. After that it is not his problem anymore.

Would his Estate (wives and children) have to pay the money he owes?

 

[surface]

Would his Estate (wives and children) have to pay the money he owes?

I don't know about wives & kids but I am fairly certain that debt has to be settled out of anything he owns. I wonder what happens if he sells his stake in whatever he owns to his wives or kids.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

I doubt a judge would buy Zuma's inception argument. But of course Zuma will keep appealing to keep the actual trial from kicking off for as long as he can. He just needs to keep it from trial until he sees who wins the ANC conference. If his puppet wins then he'll get the case thrown out otherwise I expect he'll cause more riots or give up.

The fact that one person has the power to incite riots indirectly, is absolutely what is wrong with the ANC and its followers in this country!

 

[ForceFate]

They own the land King Shaka Airport is built on. I don't even want to know how much they get a month by leasing the land to government. That right there was a proper shenanigans if there ever was one.

Is it not municipal land? It definitely doesn't belong to Ingonyama Trust either.

 

[Tman*]

Would his Estate (wives and children) have to pay the money he owes?

Technically his Estate will have to pay.

All assets and liabilities go into one big pot upon death. An executer of estate will have to settle liabilities either using cash on hand, or liquidate assets to settle. The remaining of assets are distributed as per the will and or dependants etc.

Zuma is no spring chicken @ 80. There is an argument to be made that he is simply delaying criminal proceedings until he dies. Any civil claims to the estate (lets say he didnt pay his home loan as an example) isnt supposed to disappear that quickly.