AfriForum demands clarity on the mandatory registration of small-scale embedded generators

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Legal challenge against Eskom solar price pain

AfriForum has sent a lawyer's letter to Eskom demanding clarity on the mandatory registration of small-scale embedded generators (SSEG) and associated regulations.

The civil rights organisations say legislation requiring the registration of SSEG systems only applies to customers generating more than 100kW.
 
More than 100kw

Ok more than 100kw per what period

Great headline and article. Not
 
Enzo Matrix said:
More than 100kw

Ok more than 100kw per what period

Great headline and article. Not
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It's in Watts. Specifically kW, 1000Watts. Therefore the timeframe is per second. i.e. 100 000 Joules per second. i.e. we're talking about systems that can generate up to 100 000 Joules per second. If 100kW output can be maintained by a system for an hour, then it would have generated 100kWh of electricity. For two hours, then 200kWh.

Expressing rooftop system size in Wh would be pointless here, because even the small panels on calculators can eventually generate 100kWh for example, it would just take some centuries. If Eskom comes to me saying that I need to register my solar powered calculator because it can eventually generate 100kWh, and so I must get it signed off by somebody qualified, then I'd be very annoyed indeed.
 
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The Trutherizer said:
It's in Watts. Specifically kW, 1000Watts. Therefore the timeframe is per second. i.e. 100 000 Joules per second. i.e. we're talking about systems that can generate up to 100 000 Joules per second. If 100kW output can be maintained by a system for an hour, then it would have generated 100kWh of electricity. For two hours, then 200kWh.
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Well no home system is ever going to do that so I guess we're all off the hook then.
 
The Trutherizer said:
If what Afriforum is saying is right. And personally I hope they are right.
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My plan is to double my array to 11 kWp and be quite comfortably done with it. They can go look to Sun International for their "100kW".
 
The Trutherizer said:
It's in Watts. Specifically kW, 1000Watts. Therefore the timeframe is per second. i.e. 100 000 Joules per second. i.e. we're talking about systems that can generate up to 100 000 Joules per second. If 100kW output can be maintained by a system for an hour, then it would have generated 100kWh of electricity. For two hours, then 200kWh.

Expressing rooftop system size in Wh would be pointless here, because even the small panels on calculators can eventually generate 100kWh for example, it would just take some centuries. If Eskom comes to me saying that I need to register my solar powered calculator because it can eventually generate 100kWh, and so I must get it signed off by somebody qualified, then I'd be very annoyed indeed.
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Well exactly

100kw or any kind of measurement is pointless without a time period explicitly stated

100kw means f all
 
And what about the fact that they force you to change price plans to a more expensive price plan and the requirement also to have a bidirectional meter even if you do not want to feed into the grid.
 
Enzo Matrix said:
Well exactly

100kw or any kind of measurement is pointless without a time period explicitly stated

100kw means f all
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No I really don't think you get it. It means the power of the system.

Like... The difference between a 50kW commuter car. And a 1000kW+ Bugatti.

Power

It'd be a different matter if we were talking about power storage, or total electricity generated over an arbitrary timeframe.
 
The Trutherizer said:
It'd be a different matter if we were talking about power storage, or total electricity generated over an arbitrary timeframe.
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They'll just tack that part on later when they realise those numbers don't apply to 99.999% of residential installations.

...errr, ...hours! kW hours! Per month!
 
The Trutherizer said:
No I really don't think you get it. It means the power of the system.

Like... The difference between a 50kW commuter car. And a 1000kW+ Bugatti.

Power

It'd be a different matter if we were talking about power storage, or total electricity generated over an arbitrary timeframe.
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One of us doesn't get it. Thats for sure
 
"customers generating more than 100kW"

You can technically generate more than "100kW" using one of those piss-trickle solar fountains in your garden if you leave it for long enough.
Idiots.

And once again Afrifroum is ahead of the pack. The DA is probably too busy trying to save the country GNU and coming up with repetitive campaign slogans to preface their next media announcement with.
 
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They do realize Eskom's goal is to legislate solar to death. They claim it is not true but now we need so many inspections that it cost more then the solar itself. Eskom is not our friend, its actions indicate they want to cripple our economy, make solar unaffordable and threaten us with load shedding. They are not our friends.
 
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Jackal46 said:
They do realize Eskom's goal is to legislate solar to death. They claim it is not true but now we need so many inspections that it cost more then the solar itself. Eskom is not our friend, its actions indicate they want to cripple our economy, make solar unaffordable and threaten us with load shedding. They are not our friends.
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That's like realising Genghis Khan didn't screw you 'cause he was into your personality.
Yes, they are not our friends... far, far worse than that in fact.
 
I was actually wondering when someone would take up this fight.

I'd rather contribute towards the legal fees than Eskoms coffers.
 
The Trutherizer said:
It's in Watts. Specifically kW, 1000Watts. Therefore the timeframe is per second. i.e. 100 000 Joules per second. i.e. we're talking about systems that can generate up to 100 000 Joules per second. If 100kW output can be maintained by a system for an hour, then it would have generated 100kWh of electricity. For two hours, then 200kWh.

Expressing rooftop system size in Wh would be pointless here, because even the small panels on calculators can eventually generate 100kWh for example, it would just take some centuries. If Eskom comes to me saying that I need to register my solar powered calculator because it can eventually generate 100kWh, and so I must get it signed off by somebody qualified, then I'd be very annoyed indeed.
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I think I'm in love
 
RaptorSA said:
"customers generating more than 100kW"

You can technically generate more than "100kW" using one of those piss-trickle solar fountains in your garden if you leave it for long enough.
Idiots.

And once again Afrifroum is ahead of the pack. The DA is probably too busy trying to save the country GNU and coming up with repetitive campaign slogans to preface their next media announcement with.
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No you can't
 
What are you all going in about kW is the instant power of a thing not the kWh (kilowatts hours) of energy that increases as the hours and years go by.

The gazette is pretty clear it talks about capacity (measured in MW) and then says under 100kW or not connected to the grid means no license?
 

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