AIDS shower boy Zuma set to tie the knot for a fifth time

[blonde one]

African mentality FTW

IMO his 'culture' is corrupt and Africa needs to get out of 'culture' mentality if it wants to compete with the rest of the world.

Look at it this way - Culture = Bacteria. Perhaps he does have a strong culture after all

 

[sox63]

Well there is also that little thing of living and being in a civilized era joelus, but obviously that does not have any effect on Zuma. I wonder if all his brides also like showering so much?

And who said having more than one wife is uncivilised? If you can afford it and the women are cool with it, go right ahead.

 

[Sherbang]

Customary marriages? What does that entail? What stops me as a agnostic white guy from now taking on a couple more wives?

Nothing, the law doesn't discriminate by race. Only that the marriage is according to customary law, which includes the two families negotiating, lebola being paid, etc.

http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/custom_marriage.asp

For a customary marriage to be recognised as a valid marriage, a customary marriage entered into before 15 November 2000 must only be valid at customary law. However, if entered into from 15 November 2000 onwards it must comply with the following requirements:
The marriage must be negotiated, entered into or celebrated in accordance with customary law.
The prospective spouses must be above the age of 18 years.
Both prospective spouses must consent to the marriage.
The parents of a prospective spouse who is a minor must consent to the marriage. If he or she has no parents, then his or her legal guardian must consent. If the parents or legal guardian cannot consent, a Commissioner of Child Welfare can be approached for consent and where consent is refused by either of the parents, the legal guardian or the Commissioner of Child Welfare, only a Judge of the High Court may consider granting consent.
If either of the prospective spouses is a spouse in a civil marriage, a customary marriage cannot be entered into during the subsistence of the civil marriage. A similar provision also applied to customary marriages entered into from 1 December 1988.
Although there is no restriction on the number of customary marriages that a husband may enter into, no further customary marriage may be entered into unless an order of court regulating the future matrimonial property system of his marriages has been obtained.

 

[Sherbang]

That reminds me: I wonder how keen his new wife will be to consummate the marriage? It is widely known that his "rape victim" was HIV positive and he was unprotected while engaging in the act.

Zuma has been tested since then and is fully aware of his status.

 

[Frankie]

Isn't this all a little illegal?

Not a problem to someone that "Rapes the Justice System".

 

[Iwojima]

Nothing, the law doesn't discriminate by race. Only that the marriage is according to customary law, which includes the two families negotiating, lebola being paid, etc.

http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/custom_marriage.asp

Ah, so it is not the same as a civil marriage then? Seems to be another escape clause implemented so that certain cultures can bypass the law of the land.

I'm not debating the supposed morality issues with having multiple wives, just the double standards that seem to have crept into our laws.

That aside, VJB 449, said it best. People in this country really need to get over this whole culture nonsense, see themselves as part of a country (and eventually the entire world) and move forward with the times instead of sticking to outdated gobbledygook.

Zuma has been tested since then and is fully aware of his status.

...and? I have my doubts that a guy like Zuma would give two hoots about inflicting HIV on his wives.

 

[Sherbang]

Not a problem to someone that "Rapes the Justice System".

Yes Frankie, you mentioned that already! (Can you hear an echo?)
It's a cartoon dude, believe it or not, the simpsons aren't real people either!
(and the very justice system he is supposedly raping found that so far he has been the victim here, not the other way around)

 

[Sherbang]

That aside, VJB 449, said it best. People in this country really need to get over this whole culture nonsense, see themselves as part of a country (and eventually the entire world) and move forward with the times instead of sticking to outdated gobbledygook.

In other words they must give up their 'barbarian' african culture and adopt our 'civilized' european culture. The final colonial nail in the coffin.
it's called bigotry and it's an unnecessary form of intolerance. So what if some cultures allow polygamy. No-one is forcing you to do so. If zuma can marry 5 woman and everyone is happy, then good for him, what's the problem?

 

[Frankie]

Yes Frankie, you mentioned that already! (Can you hear an echo?)
It's a cartoon dude, believe it or not, the simpsons aren't real people either!
(and the very justice system he is supposedly raping found that so far he has been the victim here, not the other way around)

We should, in the best interests of our country, create as many echo's as we can exposing this kind of scum.

The justice system that he rapes finds him innocent - what were we expecting here?
^ Now that is a cartoon.

 

[TheHiveMind]

And who said having more than one wife is uncivilised? If you can afford it and the women are cool with it, go right ahead.

Well, its an abuse of class and money, its all about money.. If everyone in the upper and middle class took 3 wives, that would leave a bunch of the lower class without..

Quick question.. Can a female have many husbands? I have no idea

 

[Frankie]

In other words they must give up their 'barbarian' african culture and adopt our 'civilized' european culture. The final colonial nail in the coffin.
it's called bigotry and it's an unnecessary form of intolerance. So what if some cultures allow polygamy. No-one is forcing you to do so. If zuma can marry 5 woman and everyone is happy, then good for him, what's the problem?

Using your choice of words, no, they don't have to give up their 'barbarian' african culture, but they should not then expect the civilised world to treat them as anything other than 'barbarians'.

 

[Iwojima]

In other words they must give up their 'barbarian' african culture and adopt our 'civilized' european culture. The final colonial nail in the coffin. it's called bigotry and it's an unnecessary form of intolerance.

No, but how about progressing their culture and moving in line with the rest of the world? Perhaps Africa as a whole would be better off if all these cultures would just catch a wake up and stop trying to differentiate themselves (to the point of self destruction) for the sake of being different/difficult.

So what if some cultures allow polygamy. No-one is forcing you to do so. If zuma can marry 5 woman and everyone is happy, then good for him, what's the problem?

Refer to my previous post. I'm not arguing the morality of polygamy, just the double standards. Try to keep up.

 

[Sherbang]

Seems to be another escape clause implemented so that certain cultures can bypass the law of the land.

It's a recognition that laws exist in this land that were around before the colonialists imposed western justice and that the majority of people recognise and subscribe to.

Mostly, this law regarding customary marriage was created to protect the women involved. Before these marriages were recognised by law they still took place and were recognised by the people involved but the women had no legal protection. Now that they are considered civil, issues such as the women having equal status and capacity as her husband (she can buy and sell assets, enter into contracts and take a case to court), community of property, inheritance, custody of children, occupational compensation etc are governed by law, giving the women involved more power than they would have had if it was not recognised by law.

 

[Iwojima]

Well, its an abuse of class and money, its all about money.. If everyone in the upper and middle class took 3 wives, that would leave a bunch of the lower class without..

Quick question.. Can a female have many husbands? I have no idea

Probably not. The law joelus quoted mentioned "him" when referring to an individual. This is precisely what I'm getting at in terms of double standards and playing to specific cultures.

 

[Iwojima]

It's a recognition that laws exist in this land that were around before the colonialists imposed western justice and that the majority of people recognise and subscribe to.

Zulus are no more native to this land (SA) than the "colonialists" who got here around the same time. If you want to refer to marriage laws native to this land I suggest you travel to the Kalahari and ask a Bushman.

 

[Frankie]

Zulus are no more native to this land (SA) than the "colonialists" who got here around the same time. If you want to refer to marriage laws native to this land I suggest you travel to the Kalahari and ask a Bushman.

Isn't it the San that have the right to boot us all (black, white, Indian,......) off their land?

 

[Sherbang]

Quick question.. Can a female have many husbands? I have no idea

No, she can't... that's just ridiculous!

 

[Iwojima]

Isn't it the San that have the right to boot us all (black, white, Indian,......) off their land?

Something like that. I do know for a fact that it was inhabited long before the Xhosas, Zulus and Europeans got here.

I love how black Africans try to lay claim to the land and portray the white Africans as evil colonialists when they themselves were also on a mission to colonise the south when they met up and had a rather large squabble.

 

[Sherbang]

Isn't it the San that have the right to boot us all (black, white, Indian,......) off their land?

It's not so much who was here first or whose laws were here first as much as the fact that, for better or worse, currently the majority of people subscribe to laws which are cultural and existed before our laws. It's not so easy to tell people they are wrong and you are right. I'm not sure the San had many laws and were socialist to the extreme if that's preferable to you!

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

It's not so much who was here first or whose laws were here first as much as the fact that, for better or worse, currently the majority of people subscribe to laws which are cultural .... when it suits them

There... fixed it for you