AIDS shower boy Zuma set to tie the knot for a fifth time

[sox63]

Neither did I.

To cut through the noise: can a Zulu woman have multiple husbands?

Sorry for the assumption, but I interpreted demographics to be race. But as I said, if women taking more than one husband can be recognised as a legitimate custom, then yeah, she can have as many husbands as she can cope with.

 

[icyrus]

Sorry for the assumption, but I interpreted demographics to be race. But as I said, if women taking more than one husband can be recognised as a legitimate custom, then yeah, she can have as many husbands as she can cope with.

That didn't really answer my question considering that I asked specifically about Zulu tradition.

 

[Sherbang]

Neither did I.

To cut through the noise: can a Zulu woman have multiple husbands?

There is no law, civil or customary that allows a woman to have multiple husbands

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

Life is about diversity. There is no need for us all to be the same and act alike. ... and I would be concerned if my sister wanted to marry into such a relationship, ...

Just out of interest why would you be concerned? And if your sister was your brother would you be as concerned?

The fact that the majority of the world frowns upon it is irrelevant. Islam is the fastest growing culture in the world. Should a time come when it is the majority ideology should we then submit to Sharia law just because the majority of the world supported it?

At the risk of being flamed here, this is my opinion only and I don't want to offend anyone - I think it's highly unlikely that Islam and especially Sharia law will control the global economy any time soon (if ever).
Having said that, Islam as practiced in the modern context (without some of the more unsavoury practices) and as a less fundamentalist mindset is in my opinion a culture which promotes learning, sharing, upliftment of the poor and even religious tolerance. I don't think much would have to change in that type of scenario and I certainly wouldn't have a problem going without an extra wife or two if it meant I'd be taken more seriously in a global economy

 

[sox63]

That didn't really answer my question considering that I asked specifically about Zulu tradition.

I'm not from the Zulu community, but I can hazard a guess that there is no such custom, so it can not be protected by the Customary marriages Act.

 

[icyrus]

There is no law, civil or customary that allows a woman to have multiple husbands

I'm not from the Zulu community, but I can hazard a guess that there is no such custom, so it can not be protected by the Customary marriages Act.

And do you believe that such a double standard should be acceptable?

 

[Sherbang]

Just out of interest why would you be concerned? And if your sister was your brother would you be as concerned?

Yes, I would be concerned if it was my brother. I think it's because she lacks the cultural support structures. Within a Zulu culture it's accepted as normal and is treated as such. She would gain status and people would support her marriage. Within the jewish culture from where she comes, she is more likely to be ostrecised and given a hard time. It would require a huge paradigm shift for the entire family.

At the risk of being flamed here, this is my opinion only and I don't want to offend anyone - I think it's highly unlikely that Islam and especially Sharia law will control the global economy any time soon (if ever).
Having said that, Islam as practiced in the modern context (without some of the more unsavoury practices) and as a less fundamentalist mindset is in my opinion a culture which promotes learning, sharing, upliftment of the poor and even religious tolerance. I don't think much would have to change in that type of scenario and I certainly wouldn't have a problem going without an extra wife or two if it meant I'd be taken more seriously in a global economy

I too think it's highly unlikely that Islam and Sharia law will gain global dominance, I was just trying to make a point that majority opinion isn't necessarily a good reason to turn your back on your own culture.
I also don't think there is any evidence that having only one wife will mean JZ (or anyone else) would be taken more seriously.

Sometimes things need to be challenged. 50 years ago, the thought of a president who had been divorced and remarried would have been unthinkable. These days it's not such a big deal.

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

I'm not from the Zulu community, but I can hazard a guess that there is no such custom, so it can not be protected by the Customary marriages Act.

From the wording of the act it seems it only applies to [-]Zulus[/-] africans of male persuasion.

[edit: fixed - there doesn't seem to be anything stopping any south african male from availing himself of the act]

 

[Brawler]

To the pro zuma guy.

Take a look at the rest of Africa which seem to have very similar morals/cultures/(insert excuse here). Then tell me how much you hate the western culture.

 

[sox63]

And do you believe that such a double standard should be acceptable?

I think we are getting ahead of ourselves here, has there ever been a case where a woman WANTS multiple husbands? If so, was it not recognised? If not why was it not recognised? I can't recall one.

We can only confirm a double standard if the opposite sex has shown a desire to practice the custom, and it has been denied.

 

[Sherbang]

And do you believe that such a double standard should be acceptable?

No, of course not!

(Though I do think polyandry is more impractical and has more disadvantages than polygamy)

 

[sox63]

From the wording of the act it seems it only applies to [-]Zulus[/-] africans of male persuasion.

[edit: fixed - there doesn't seem to be anything stopping any south african male from availing himself of the act]

Where do you get that dude?

 

[Sherbang]

To the pro zuma guy.

Take a look at the rest of Africa which seem to have very similar morals/cultures/(insert excuse here). Then tell me how much you hate the western culture.

Whoa dude... I don't know who the pro zuma guy is, but nobody on this thread has said anything about hating western culture. I've no idea where you got that from... being a little defensive maybe?

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

Where do you get that dude?

Are we talking about this being a male thing only or a zulu thing only?

the act only refers to
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6) A husband in a customary marriage who wishes to enter into a further customary marriage with another woman

There is no mention of a wife who wishes to make use of the same "opportunity". This means that a woman would have to abide by civil law governing marriage which makes it illegal for her to take more than one husband

On the second bit, there is no mention of the tribal backround of the applicants, nor of their particular melanin proclivity

 

[Claymore]

There is no mention of a wife who wishes to make use of the same "opportunity". This means that a woman would have to abide by civil law governing marriage which makes it illegal for her to take more than one husband

I suspect that if anyone were dedicated enough, they could successfully challenge it in the Constitutional Court on the basis of equal rights.

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

I suspect that if anyone were dedicated enough, they could successfully challenge it in the Constitutional Court on the basis of equal rights.

Agreed, however unless someone feels discriminated against ... how can there be any discrimination?

 

[Balstrome]

I doubt that there actually has to be an act of discrimination, for it to be discrimination. The possiblity of it, is all that should be needed to show that discrimination should be needed. Must I kill someone to prove that murder is a crime?

 

[blah99]

Is it correct to say that a zulu cannot be a christian. Christianity is obviously against polygamy.

 

[Fuma]

..and I've come to realise that you will not accept that current African culture/norms are the primary cause for the situation that Africa finds itself in at the moment and that it is also the reason why it will never be taken seriously.....

In the words of T-bone, "I am an African" or do you still believe that white folks cannot belong to that exclusively dark skinned club? Isn't the Afrikaans culture unique to Africa and hence an African culture?

So even the Afrikaans culture contributes to this African situation.
Sp if you are Afrikaans and blaming African culture for this apparent situation, you are also blaming yourself.

 

[Slootvreter]

Is it correct to say that a zulu cannot be a christian. Christianity is obviously against polygamy.

This is a good question.

So even the Afrikaans culture contributes to this African situation.
Sp if you are Afrikaans and blaming African culture for this apparent situation, you are also blaming yourself.

African culture is not nearly the same of Afrikaans culture. This is not a question of where your from, as in demographics, but rather heritage. And BTW, what situation are you talking about?