AIDS shower boy Zuma set to tie the knot for a fifth time

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Frankie said:
I think most people in the civilised world consider it backwards, and as we have seen in this thread it is a form of gender discrimination.
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I just have a problem with this idea that because most people in the 'civilised' world consider it backwards, therefore it is backwards and we must toe the line if we want to be considered civilised. Most of the civilised world thinks homosexual marriage is wrong too, does that mean the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, Norway and Nepal should ban it, because it's not civilised?
If a prospective president was gay would that embarrass you too?

With regards to polygamy being a form of gender discrimination. This is true but the reaction to this should be to legalise polyandry, not ban polygamy.
When women couldn't vote, the solution was not to take away mens vote so that there was no more discrimination. When it was illegal for women to drive cars we didn't say - oh that's gender discrimination, we'll have to ban men from driving cars too! The solution to gender discrimination is too empower women, not disempower men.
More importantly the laws legalising polygamy in South Africa were created in order to empower the women involved.

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Now add this to dancing in the public singing that disgusting "give me my machine gun" song, his co accused in jail for a corrupt relationship with him, his dimwitted defence in his rape trial, his AIDS counter measures (shower), his fight to exclude evidence while claiming his innocence, his rape of the justice system, infidelity (cheats on multiple wives with HIV POS young girl), .

There's no ways that this would be considered State President material in most other countries, and it will be an embarrassment to us all.
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Now on those points, I definitely agree with you. Zuma is NOT State President material, not because he is a polygamist, but because his behavior is totally inappropriate and unacceptable. He seems to totally lack judgment or any good or common sense. Even if he only had one wife this would still be the case. The polygamy in my opinion is irrelevant, and if he was a strong and respectable person I don't think the rest of the world would have a problem with it.
 
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joelus said:
I just have a problem with this idea that because most people in the 'civilised' world consider it backwards, therefore it is backwards and we must toe the line if we want to be considered civilised.
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No, we don't have to tow the line, but if we persist with practices that are not only considered backward in the civilised world but in many cases illegal, then we have no right to complain that the "west" treats us like backward retards.

Another example of what the "west" thinks of polygamy.

Alleged polygamists arrested in Canada

Two leaders of a Canadian polygamist sect were arrested Wednesday and charged with polygamy in what could be a landmark case, said Wally Oppal, attorney general of British Columbia.

Winston Blackmore, 52, and James Oler, 44, were taken into custody in Bountiful, a western town of about 1,000 residents, Oppal said.

Blackmore has married 19 women and Oler married five, the official said.

The men are members of the polygamist sect known as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or FLDS church, he added.

Oppal said such cases have proven difficult for authorities to win. "The problem has always been the defense of religion has always been raised," he said, referring to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The FLDS is not affiliated with the mainstream Mormon church, which renounced polygamy more than a century ago.
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The presidency, polygamy and the protocol dilemma

Maybe this backward way of thinking is just what appeals to the electorate?

The presidency, polygamy and the protocol dilemma

Jacob Zuma’s extended family will be a protocol nightmare for his government minders should he become president.

Widely tipped to become the first polygamist to occupy the Union Buildings after elections this year, Zuma plans to wed his fifth wife, and has fathered more than a dozen children.

Regardless of who the ANC president picks as first lady, taxpayers may have to cough up for some of the perks his wives or their children could be entitled to. These include:

# Medical aid, for which the state would pay two-thirds of Zuma’s monthly contribution;

# Flying on the presidential jet and having access to a fleet of air force aircraft; and

# VIP protection, transport, staff and an official funeral.

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=920267
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Wives can share the job of first lady

Referring to your story “The presidency, polygamy and the protocol dilemma” (January 18), please leave Jacob Zuma alone.

If the man has been able to maintain his household, sometimes with the help of Schabir Shaik, then I don’t see why the state shouldn’t foot the bill for their upkeep.

At least no taxpayer would be expecting any preferential treatment or special protection against investigations into the perks the family will enjoy.

What’s wrong with the first lady or first, second, third and fourth ladies interchanging their official role at the presidential guesthouse? They can all do a good job.

And who said you need to have so-called Western table manners or converse in English to be a first lady?

If US first lady Michelle Obama doesn’t learn Zulu, it’s her loss. She won’t be able to share traditional Zulu recipes with our first ladies.

After all, who needs a first lady when the dynamic president (to be) can do such a wonderful job of entertaining guests, singing and chanting the effervescent and epic Umshini Wam?

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=924653
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Polygamy surely falls foul of our Bill of Rights

Spot on post.


Polygamy surely falls foul of our Bill of Rights

While the constitution gives people the right to “enjoy their culture”, it also limits that right if the practice violates any other right in the Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights guarantees equal rights to men and women.

The cultural practice of polygamy discriminates against women.

While men are permitted, even encouraged, to marry a number of wives befitting their social standing, women are not permitted to marry more than one husband.

In fact, the constitution obliges the government to enact legislation to prohibit discriminatory practices.

Clearly, a government led by a polygamist is unlikely to fulfil that obligation!

If South Africa and Africa are to take their rightful places as equals in the civilised world, they must abandon such practices.

If, on the other hand, we want to maintain our position at the bottom of the world’s scrap-heap, that’s easily done too.

Having a polygamist, Jacob Zuma, as the president of our country and the pirate-supporting polygamist Muammar Gaddafi as the head of the African Union should do the trick. — Keith Garrod, Cape Town
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