Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set

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theyre not ever used making films are they?

Yes, sometimes they are. Hence the reason there was such a big call some years ago for the regulation of the industry to promote better safety and security.
 

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Nope, he wasn’t careless or negligent. It will be an accident.
Murder does not require these.
If you review a few articles it seems that one could say he was one of a few who were both negligent and careless.
He will get off without charges despite the final responsibility being his.
 

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Devil's advocate here, to all those saying AB is responsible because he fired the gun. What if the prop In a scene was a bomb detonator and he pushed the button and boom, a dozen people die.

Is he then still responsible because he pushed the button and should have checked that it's really a prop and not a real detonator?
 

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Devil's advocate here, to all those saying AB is responsible because he fired the gun. What if the prop In a scene was a bomb detonator and he pushed the button and boom, a dozen people die.

Is he then still responsible because he pushed the button and should have checked that it's really a prop and not a real detonator?
If the common and universal rules governing explosives and their detonation dictated that you are responsible for checking such things then yes.
Maybe the mining/demolition industry could tell you who is responsible when detonating explosives.
 

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If the common and universal rules governing explosives and their detonation dictated that you are responsible for checking such things then yes.
Maybe the mining/demolition industry could tell you who is responsible when detonating explosives.
I'm just thinking that surely at some point the actor needs to rely on those who are knowledgeable in certain areas?

We can't expect actors to be weapons experts, engineers, chemical experts, etc, etc , etc
 

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I'm just thinking that surely at some point the actor needs to rely on those who are knowledgeable in certain areas?

We can't expect actors to be weapons experts, engineers, chemical experts, etc, etc , etc
We can expect them to be aware of and follow the rules governing deadly weapons, they get paid enough to know.
Why do guys like Keanu do it but this guy should be exempt ?
Also that "reliance" on "experts" is exactly how these things happen, should have checked the gun before pulling the bang switch, simple as.
 

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If the common and universal rules governing explosives and their detonation dictated that you are responsible for checking such things then yes.
Maybe the mining/demolition industry could tell you who is responsible when detonating explosives.
You trying to equate it to real life.
They’re actors playing out a scene.
If their role is to be suspended in the air and they fall and die, is it their fault for trying to fly? No, it’s the support people specialised in their field that are responsible.
 

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You trying to equate it to real life.
They’re actors playing out a scene.
If their role is to be suspended in the air and they fall and die, is it their fault for trying to fly? No, it’s the support people specialised in their field that are responsible.
False equivalency, gun safety rules do not change regardless of setting .
 

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I'm just thinking that surely at some point the actor needs to rely on those who are knowledgeable in certain areas?

We can't expect actors to be weapons experts, engineers, chemical experts, etc, etc , etc
I agree with this sentiment actually. You cannot, that's why you hire an armorer. This is where it gets scary. The armorer had no real experience. Seems they were trying to skimp costs in a low budget movie.

I feel sorry for Alec the actor. But he was also the producer, part of the management that saw this situation created.
 

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Two take homes from this topic..,

1. Alec Baldwin will NOT get away lightly for this, if what is being said in the media is true
2. @Gyre AKA “show me” should never represent you in court if he/she decided to become a lawyer
 
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