'Allow no escapes': leak exposes reality of China's vast prison camp network

[Mystic Twilight]

China is a dictatorship, almost as bad as the Nazis were.

only problem is in todays world people dont seem to care,

if China decided to invade another country, for "liebensraum", how would people react?

The same way how everyone reacted when the US got involved with the middle east, except this time it would ironically be the US and Europe pointing fingers at the Chinese.

Edit: So while this is on the subject of being illegally detained, anyone here want to add their thoughts and prayers with a like button to the Guantanamo Bay detention camp issue. Or is it because its being done by a democratic western country that it should be considered acceptable.

 

[saturnz]

Yeah, but the Saudi's kill more muslims in the middle east than anyone else.

with consent and weapons provided by the US government, you miss that important bit

 

[SoldierMan]

your entire narrative on this issue is a monument to failure

Explain why, or I'll assume all you can do is throw out useless one-liners.

 

[Nanfeishen]

So you are biased against real Christians, took long enough to get you to admit it.

Wrong, I am biased towards conservative religious fundamentalists of any and all faiths.

So you got shown around like a regular tourist and actually believe that's how it is? Really?

Only on my first visit, China has opened up substantially towards tourists since then, and my subsequent visits we roamed freely, mixed and mingled without hassle.

 

[rambo919]

Wrong, I am biased towards conservative religious fundamentalists of any and all faiths.

Which includes anyone that actually believes in something different to your own beliefs, you like nice safe Christians that don't actually believe anything other than "be nice to everyone".... new age hippies that don't do drugs basically.

 

[Nanfeishen]

China IS the new tyranny.

News flash, Mao is dead, the Red Guards are no more and nowadays they are the unemployable on welfare and the little spoken about dark chapter in their history.
China of today is far from being a tyranny of any sort of form, and it is a far cry from the China of even 20 years ago.

Heres a simple lesson in history, tyrants can only establish themselves in/out of and around poverty and revolution. They cannot establish themselves in places where wealth exists, they only exist as long as people are kept poor, when people are wealthy and have money they lose interest in supporting tyrannical political figures.

How do you think China turned itself around after Mao and The Gang of Four that followed him to ensure that no one could establish themselves through popular support as a supreme leader ever again.
They began an economic turn-a-round for the people, they began a nationwide drive of economic upliftment so that nobody could ever ride a wave of popular support on the backs of the poor or downtrodden to the top as in the past.

You toss the word ignorance around all over your posts, yet you yourself display the largest amount of it in relation to China, its people, its politics, its history and its culture.

 

[rambo919]

If you have an institution you already have a leader, you don't need a specific person for the role.

 

[SoldierMan]

News flash, Mao is dead, the Red Guards are no more and nowadays they are the unemployable on welfare and the little spoken about dark chapter in their history.
China of today is far from being a tyranny of any sort of form, and it is a far cry from the China of even 20 years ago.

Heres a simple lesson in history, tyrants can only establish themselves in/out of and around poverty and revolution. They cannot establish themselves in places where wealth exists, they only exist as long as people are kept poor, when people are wealthy and have money they lose interest in supporting tyrannical political figures.

How do you think China turned itself around after Mao and The Gang of Four that followed him to ensure that no one could establish themselves through popular support as a supreme leader ever again.
They began an economic turn-a-round for the people, they began a nationwide drive of economic upliftment so that nobody could ever ride a wave of popular support on the backs of the poor or downtrodden to the top as in the past.

You toss the word ignorance around all over your posts, yet you yourself display the largest amount of it in relation to China, its people, its politics, its history and its culture.

Man, that is the biggest load of nonsense I've heard in a long time concerning China. You my friend have no idea what you are talking about.
Welcome to the world according to Nanfeishen; devoid of facts, ignorant of reality on the ground and leads with completely unfounded statements.

Look, it's Xi Jinping, China's glorious dictato.... I mean leader.
It's a happy happy life in Chiiiina. Sing along. It's a happy happy life in Chiiiina. It's a happy happy life in Chiiiina.

It's a happy happy life in Chiiiina.... if you obey all commands, don't question government policy, you aren't a Uyghur, you aren't a Christian. Oh it's so happy!

 

[AlmightyBender]

News flash, Mao is dead, the Red Guards are no more and nowadays they are the unemployable on welfare and the little spoken about dark chapter in their history.
China of today is far from being a tyranny of any sort of form, and it is a far cry from the China of even 20 years ago.

Heres a simple lesson in history, tyrants can only establish themselves in/out of and around poverty and revolution. They cannot establish themselves in places where wealth exists, they only exist as long as people are kept poor, when people are wealthy and have money they lose interest in supporting tyrannical political figures.

How do you think China turned itself around after Mao and The Gang of Four that followed him to ensure that no one could establish themselves through popular support as a supreme leader ever again.
They began an economic turn-a-round for the people, they began a nationwide drive of economic upliftment so that nobody could ever ride a wave of popular support on the backs of the poor or downtrodden to the top as in the past.

You toss the word ignorance around all over your posts, yet you yourself display the largest amount of it in relation to China, its people, its politics, its history and its culture.

Wow. You should should tell that to the people of Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan, rural China, the NBA and literally anyone trying to engage in any form of political debate with the CCP. They will be so relieved that the arrests and detentions they have experienced in recent years was nothing to do with tyranny

 

[Dryden]

News flash, Mao is dead, the Red Guards are no more and nowadays they are the unemployable on welfare and the little spoken about dark chapter in their history.
China of today is far from being a tyranny of any sort of form, and it is a far cry from the China of even 20 years ago.

Heres a simple lesson in history, tyrants can only establish themselves in/out of and around poverty and revolution. They cannot establish themselves in places where wealth exists, they only exist as long as people are kept poor, when people are wealthy and have money they lose interest in supporting tyrannical political figures.

How do you think China turned itself around after Mao and The Gang of Four that followed him to ensure that no one could establish themselves through popular support as a supreme leader ever again.
They began an economic turn-a-round for the people, they began a nationwide drive of economic upliftment so that nobody could ever ride a wave of popular support on the backs of the poor or downtrodden to the top as in the past.

You toss the word ignorance around all over your posts, yet you yourself display the largest amount of it in relation to China, its people, its politics, its history and its culture.

Are you a dribbling moron?

 

[surface]

Are you a dribbling moron?

I don't think so. Consider this. If he has made several trips to china then it is likely he has some business interest/Lover/love for country/some such thing that needs repeat visits. He cannot possibly risk criticizing and getting banned (or worse). Although I am surprised at his unabashed admiration for china.

 

[rambo919]

I don't think so. Consider this. If he has made several trips to china then it is likely he has some business interest/Lover/love for country/some such thing that needs repeat visits. He cannot possibly risk criticizing and getting banned (or worse). Although I am surprised at his unabashed admiration for china.

Maybe he's a kommisar deployed in SA? Is he even physically in SA? Maybe he's part of their cyber forces tasked with upping the foreign image of Utopia?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Maybe he's a kommisar deployed in SA? Is he even physically in SA? Maybe he's part of their cyber forces tasked with upping the foreign image of Utopia?

Nah... He is too damned hippie to be a kommisar.

 

[Nanfeishen]

I don't think so. Consider this. If he has made several trips to china then it is likely he has some business interest/Lover/love for country/some such thing that needs repeat visits. He cannot possibly risk criticizing and getting banned (or worse). Although I am surprised at his unabashed admiration for china.

Its a cultural thing.
Really and what exactly is wrong with admiring a country, its history , its culture, its philosophies, its arts and its incredible achievements.
Read their history, their achievements, their losses, their downfalls, their philosophies, even read Mao's Little Red Book.
There is much to learn there.
A government doesnt make a country, its people do.
What is not to admire about a country that in the space of 120 years from 1900 moved from a fuedal/slave/landlord state to a technological giant as a superpower, against all the odds.
And along with all that power, they are not the ones blowing up countries, toppling leaders, destabilising countries and waging endless wars on people in foreign lands.

Doesnt matter what i say , clearly at the end of the day haters going to hate.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Its a cultural thing.
Really and what exactly is wrong with admiring a country, its history , its culture, its philosophies, its arts and its incredible achievements.
Read their history, their achievements, their losses, their downfalls, their philosophies, even read Mao's Little Red Book.
There is much to learn there.
A government doesnt make a country, its people do.
What is not to admire about a country that in the space of 120 years from 1900 moved from a fuedal/slave/landlord state to a technological giant as a superpower, against all the odds.
And along with all that power, they are not the ones blowing up countries, toppling leaders, destabilising countries and waging endless wars on people in foreign lands.

Doesnt matter what i say , clearly at the end of the day haters going to hate.

It's not about hating. I also will reluctantly admit there is much I admire about the Chinese. But it's more complex.
Any fast tracking to success in history is normally accompanied by power and dictators in some form or another. Think back in history. The Roman empire. Russia. Even Hitler to an extent. China is no different. The marketing is just better, also better than the product. It is accompanied by human rights abuse. Freedom of choice does not exist. All is dandy if you toe the party line. If not, you're stuffed.

We have to seek balance.

I privately chuckle to think what would happen if the local people that so wish to see China as a saviour, yet want-want-want, ever end up under China.

 

[AlmightyBender]

destabilising countries and waging endless wars on people in foreign lands.

Again, please tell that to the people of Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan & Mongolia.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Again, please tell that to the people of Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan & Mongolia.

Of course verybody that blows the whistle is "a common criminal". It's becoming a bit old. Google Meng Hongwei ...