Alzheimer's could be the most catastrophic impact of junk food

[Geriatrix]

I have to say while I only agree with what RiaX is saying in a broad sense I don't follow oyu here.

He specifically referred to mental illnesses... diabetes isn't one.

While some forms of diabetes certainly have a connection to what you eat there are plenty of genetic and autoimmune links in diabetes. Not all diabetes is the type II kind and even the type II kind can have plenty of genetic links.

That of course and diabetes mellitus is not the only kind of diabetes you get.

Well, that's just the thing. Are you 100% that Alzheimers is only a mental illness? Have you been around a diabetic a few hours short of their insulin injection? They can get pretty crazy too.
Now, in hindsight, posting an article from the Guardian might not have been the best move, as the journalist went on a junk-food spin there, but there is serious research going on into the effects of our diets on certain hereditary diseases. Like diabetes and certain pancreatic disorders. Don't be so quick to dismiss it.

 

[RiaX]

oh..... well if you want to refer to genetic disorders, it gets a little more complex. Of course you have to be realistic when someone makes a statement. You are what you eat, is a broadspectrum statement that would imply the importance of a healthy and balanced diet. If you stray from that disease awaits.

Eating rubbish will lead to CVD, diabetes (type2), bone disorders, blood disorders.... you name it, it will come. However its silly to think that this can be applied (or is it?) that this will be a result of genetic disorders which where developed in the womb. Now it gets a little more complex than that. This would mean your diet is still important at this point. Remember genetics is a blueprint. You can have alpha genes but still come out diseased why? poor diet .... from your mother.

So you are built to what she ate and you are maintained on what you eat. In terms of genetic diseases, like autoimmune diseases, lets look at lupus (SLE). Nobody knows why people get autoimmune diseases, you can have the genetic code for it but it never shows itself, in other words you a carrier of the gene. Others have the genes and they have SLE, why?
Its because in autoimmune it requires a trigger, which can be food. Few dietary triggers have been isolated and removed from foods. Tartrazine for asthmatics, you wont develop asthma from it, but if you are asthmatic it will trigger it. Some kids their asthma doesnt show itself until its been triggered by their environment.

Lets go back to your diabetes if im understanding what your are saying. I assume you refering to type 1 diabetes - which is insulin dependant. There are many ways you can get type one diabetes, but we not interested when you diagnosed. The primary concern is to treat, its too late to worry why this patient has type 1 diabetes. In research its a big concern. There are many ways to get type one diabetes. You can lack enzymes, a deformed pancreas, lack of c-proteins, poor beta-cells. The point is these can occur from the diet your mother had. During the development of the foetus, if your nutrients are poor you going to get a poor body. Its the same with workmanship, poor materials result in a low grade product.

So diet is more important than most people think, that is why when a women pregnant, they are given a lot of minerals, vitamins and trace elements in specialised formulations used for pregnacy supplements.

 

[porchrat]

Well, that's just the thing. Are you 100% that Alzheimers is only a mental illness?

Depends on what you mean by only a mental illness.

Are its effects neurological in nature? Yes.

Alzheimer's doesn't manifest with symptoms like loss of vision or total body paralysis or something else. The symptoms are largely "mental".

Have you been around a diabetic a few hours short of their insulin injection? They can get pretty crazy too.

Of course they can that is because regulation of blood glucose levels (and hence intrcellular glucose levels) is important in maintaining overall bodily function, which of course includes the brain. That doesn't mean diabetes is a condition stemming from a neurological fault.

Now, in hindsight, posting an article from the Guardian might not have been the best move, as the journalist went on a junk-food spin there, but there is serious research going into the effect of our diet on hereditary diseases. Like diabetes and certain pancreatic disorders.

Sure but it can only go so far. It would be really whacky to propose that this dietary stuff is ever going to reverse autoimmune destruction for example.

 

[empirex]

No not really, I work with actual evidence, not guesses.

I can live with that, let's see were the research leads

 

[Geriatrix]

Sure but it can only go so far. It would be really whacky to propose that this dietary stuff is ever going to reverse autoimmune destruction for example.

I don't think they're saying a change in diet can reverse it(maybe I missed it in the article ), just that that it might be a major contributing factor to causing it.

 

[porchrat]

I don't think they're saying a change in diet can reverse it(maybe I missed it in the article ), just that that it might be a major contributing factor to causing it.

I thought the article was about Alzheimer's? I didn't mention autoimmune destruction because I thought it was discussed in the article.

Why would an Alzheimer's article discuss autoimmune reactions?

I can live with that, let's see were the [-]research[/-] scientific invesitgations lead

(felt I needed to remove that part as I have learnt that you use that "research" word a little too liberally)

It would make for a refreshing change coming from you.

 

[TJ99]

I don't get it -- what are you objecting to here?

This is a huge revelation. Why the frustration toward findings that could help millions overcome such a debilitating affliction?

Um, it's common knowledge that eating too much is bad for you. You shouldn't eat too much, whether it causes Alzheimers or not. WTF is so hard to understand about that? What I am objecting to is the insinuation that it's "junk food" only. Junk food won't make you sick if you eat it occasionaly, where likewise stuffing your face with stuff that is considered healthy will also make you unhealthy. In fact if you read the article it says unhealthy diets can cause Alzheimer's. The "ZOMG JUNK FEWD IZ EVIL" bit was added by the journalist who obviously has an agenda, as the first few posters pointed out. He's blaming everything on the evil junk food industry for making stuff that tastes good.

 

[empirex]

(felt I needed to remove that part as I have learnt that you use that "research" word a little too liberally)

It would make for a refreshing change coming from you.

Bwahahaha, you're too much you know that. You couldn't help yourself could you...

You know what would be refreshing, is if you, for one second, considered that you are not the smartest person on the boards, and please stop patronising people, it is most unbecoming and is a little sickening.

 

[empirex]

Um, it's common knowledge that eating too much is bad for you. You shouldn't eat too much, whether it causes Alzheimers or not.WTF is so hard to understand about that? What I am objecting to is the insinuation that it's "junk food" only. Junk food won't make you sick if you eat it occasionaly, where likewise stuffing your face with stuff that is considered healthy will also make you unhealthy. In fact if you read the article it says unhealthy diets can cause Alzheimer's. The "ZOMG JUNK FEWD IZ EVIL" bit was added by the journalist who obviously has an agenda, as the first few posters pointed out. He's blaming everything on the evil junk food industry for making stuff that tastes good.

Eating too much wasn't the issue, it was bad diet.

You said:

It's hardly a startling revelation that eating too much is bad for you, regardless of whether it causes Alzheimers or not.

Quantity wasn't the issue, it was diet itself.

If one solely ate junk food, this would surely contribute to developing Alzheimers according to this study, no?

Whereas if one's diet consisted of solely grains, fruit and vegetables according to this study, the risk of Alzheimers would be greatly reduced.

 

[Unhappy438]

Eating too much wasn't the issue, it was bad diet.

Eating too much would be a bad diet :erm:

 

[TJ99]

Eating too much wasn't the issue, it was bad diet.

You said:


Quantity wasn't the issue, it was diet itself.

If one solely ate junk food, this would surely contribute to developing Alzheimers according to this study, no?

Whereas if one's diet consisted of solely grains, fruit and vegetables according to this study, the risk of Alzheimers would be greatly reduced.

Eat 30kg of vegetables and nuts every day for a month, then come back and tell us how healthy you feel. Instead of trying to be smart, read the bloody article. It says Alzheimers might be considered a metabolic disease, i.e caused by eating unhealthily. It's very possible to have a bad diet without ever eating any junk food at all.

Suggesting that the amount of food you eat doesn't determine whether it's healthy or not is so monumentally retarded I don't even know where to begin. The article in The New Scientist is an OPINION PIECE. It says so in big letters right at the top. The research is pointing to unhealthy eating habits causing Alzheimer's (as a metabolic disease). The author of the article then latched on the whole bit about the junk food industry not being regulated enough and whatnot.

Eating too much bad food = bad diet = leads to poor health.
Eating too much good food = bad diet = leads to poor health.
Eating everything in moderation and living a healthy lifestyle = good diet = good health.
Junk food industry involved in some fat-cat capitalist dog conspiracy = opinion of some author and also irrelevant because even if the industry was evil, no-one is making you eat that stuff and offering no alternatives and thus forcing you to get Alzheimer's.

 

[empirex]

Suggesting that the amount of food you eat doesn't determine whether it's healthy or not is so monumentally retarded I don't even know where to begin.

Luckily that's not what I said

The study focused on bad diet.

rage

Relax and actually read what I said. We're on a fairly similar page if you would just calm down....

 

[Unhappy438]

Luckily that's not what I said

The study focused on bad diet.



Relax and actually read what I said. We're on a fairly similar page if you would just calm down....

You see this is why people cant debate with you. You make a ridiculous statement , then when you get called out on it you attempt to side step and back track. You clearly stated

Eating too much wasn't the issue, it was bad diet.

As has been pointed out , eating too much is an issue because it would be part of a bad diet.

 

[chrisc]

There is a genetic disposition to Alzheimers, it is not caused by junk food per se. Certainly, over indulgence of junk food is a factor in the increase of diabetes which is as life-threatening.

 

[porchrat]

There is a genetic disposition to Alzheimers, it is not caused by junk food per se. Certainly, over indulgence of junk food is a factor in the increase of diabetes which is as life-threatening.

I'm not aware of concrete genetic factors that have been demonstrated with respect to Alzheimer's. Single digit percentages of cases are the best they have as far as I know.

I don't suppose you have links to the relevant papers? I would be very interested in reading up on that.

 

[empirex]

You see this is why people cant debate with you. You make a ridiculous statement , then when you get called out on it you attempt to side step and back track. You clearly stated.

Oh come on man. Please think for once, just once, before you type.

What you have just wrote is complete and utter nonsense. Let me explain to you ok.

- The study was about bad diet, not quantity.
- Of course quantity matters, I mean wtf

TJ's first comment was about quantity -- I was pointing out that the study (the Alzheimer connection) wasn't about quantity but bad diet. Jeez man, read next time.

 

[Unhappy438]

Oh come on man. Please think for once, just once, before you type.

It would be lovely if you applied this to yourself.

- The study was about bad diet, not quantity.

Sigh , quantity effects whether or not the diet is good or bad so quantity is part of a study about bad diet. Im not sure why this is confusing you, its basic stuff.

TJ's first comment was about quantity -- I was pointing out that the study (the Alzheimer connection) wasn't about quantity but bad diet. Jeez man, read next time.

Again , they go hand in hand. Empirex you are the one that needs to read, instead of just admitting you made an error you continue like this.

 

[empirex]

It would be lovely if you applied this to yourself.

Sigh , quantity effects whether or not the diet is good or bad so quantity is part of a study about bad diet. Im not sure why this is confusing you, its basic stuff.

Again , they go hand in hand. Empirex you are the one that needs to read, instead of just admitting you made an error you continue like this.

Man, there is no hope for you.