Amazon and ancient tribe face off over Cape Town headquarters

[Cosmik Debris]

don't get trapped into the emotive, look at the facts... clearly a hurt community, what would have been the best way for the developers to navigate their issues/concerns....nett result would have been, a community that has been appeased without breaking the bank, less energy/money , maybe a pound or some site of remembrance,...and everyone would have been happy. Not everything as to turn in a ****fest of them vs us.

Nope. Fact - Anyone that claims to be Goringhaicona needs to be able to prove direct descent. Fact -There is no list of people that are of direct Goringhaicona descent.

 

[airborne]

don't get trapped into the emotive, look at the facts... clearly a hurt community, what would have been the best way for the developers to navigate their issues/concerns....nett result would have been, a community that has been appeased without breaking the bank, less energy/money , maybe a pound or some site of remembrance,...and everyone would have been happy. Not everything as to turn in a ****fest of them vs us.

That’s what they did do but then the latest bunch pitched up and said what about us. That’s really the crux of the issue, the current bunch claim to be representing a group when they have no mandate from said group to do so. And they have no notable evidence of it being a sacred area.

No mandate and no providence = gtfo you freeloading swine

 

[yebocan]

Not me with the BEE. AA and EE Ventertjie trailer. Have a chat with the ANC. It's theirs that they refuse to unhook.

...do not allow the ANC, or any matter or person, to have free rental space in your head. So easy to get locked into a loop and think that is what reality is all about...and just going through the same motions, over and over again, oblivious to the repetitiveness playing out, but so obvious for anyone looking in.

 

[yebocan]

That’s what they did do but then the latest bunch pitched up and said what about us. That’s really the crux of the issue, the current bunch claim to be representing a group when they have no mandate from said group to do so. And they have no notable evidence of it being a sacred area.

No mandate and no providence = gtfo you freeloading swine

well if that is the case, I agree... gtfo you freeloading swine

 

[yebocan]

Nope. Fact - Anyone that claims to be Goringhaicona needs to be able to prove direct descent. Fact -There is no list of people that are of direct Goringhaicona descent.

if the matter was settled -- and another set/ grouping of claimants come knocking, they should just **** off...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

...do not allow the ANC, or any matter or person, to have free rental space in your head. So easy to get locked into a loop and think that is what reality is all about...and just going through the same motions, over and over again, oblivious to the repetitiveness playing out, but so obvious for anyone looking in.

So, why do you allow apartheid to have free rental space in your head then? If BEE, AA and EE are OK as racial legislation for you, why isn't apartheid?

 

[CTPC]

And Amazon did not hand out cash bribes. Thats the problem.

 

[yebocan]

So, why do you allow apartheid to have free rental space in your head then? If BEE, AA and EE are OK as racial legislation for you, why isn't apartheid?

cause I was socialized under it, I acknowledge its effects not only on myself , but also society at large....I consciously engage the effects on myself, not only to rid myself of it, but to contribute to the large collective endeavor to but it to rest, once and for all.
BEE, AA, EE does not bother me, just a natural consequence to bring balance, -- what Apartheid and its ugly elder stepsister colonialism drag us into...engage the root problem...settle them and the rest have no power/hold relevance, no longer needed anymore....

As for rental space -- know the difference, one that articulates their position without getting trapped into the/their emotion on the subject/topic, is processing -engaging on the subject matter. One that goes ape **** emotive, like Pierce Morgan, if you just whisper Meghan Markle - - is someone that is stuck in a mental loop, objectified the subject, and the mind playing out the worst scenarios over and over and over...case of being stuck at hurt feelings stage of the processing...

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

We sent JVR here in 1652, that land is well documented in our family's journals as being holy land, but the DA (basically the English) will simply take and steal as they have always done. And so the land was basically given to the developers.

Say what now?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

don't get trapped into the emotive, look at the facts... clearly a hurt community, what would have been the best way for the developers to navigate their issues/concerns....nett result would have been, a community that has been appeased without breaking the bank, less energy/money , maybe a pound or some site of remembrance,...and everyone would have been happy. Not everything as to turn in a ****fest of them vs us.

Contradict much?

 

[yebocan]

Contradict much?

a really low day or just the normal low disposition, looking to unleash some of that cantankerous energy... not interested ... post haste, you know the drill

 

[Gnome]

Amazon didnt pick that, the developers wanted that to make max profit for them. They got it cheap, could make bundles from it, and the land according to them had no one that could oppose them for it. Heck Amazon wouldve been better off building in Durbanville or Stellenbosch even. But considering their other building is in town, and the property prices in town are helluva high, they could get this land for a bargain as long as they would side with the DA to steal the land from the original owners.

I happen to known people that were involved in the whole process.

Firstly the DA no longer approves buildings in the City that have parking garages or any parking for that matter.
Part of their "initiative" to reduce traffic in town. By not allowing more parking.

Amazon already have 5 buildings in Cape Town, but the buildings there are too small.

They weren't trying to "save a bundle"; they chose the spot that was the closest to where their employees currently work that had enough space for current and future work force.
There aren't very many candidates that match those requirements in Cape Town.

Unlike other companies, Amazon didn't want a building that couldn't provide a parking for their staff, was too far from their current staff buildings or couldn't take expansion.

Now every "MyBB expert" has an opinion on how they could have done better, like they didn't hire people that know better than you guys do
Btw. Amazon is 100% anti-bribery. In China they had similar problems due to not being willing to pay bribes or dealing with contractors that pay bribes.

Nobody had any complaints about that land until they heard a big company was buying it, then suddenly their ancestors cried out to them.
Cried out about all the money they could try to milk from it.
Only problem is, Amazon still doesn't pay bribes.
They'd rather pull out (ie. New York)

And yes the same thing happened in New York.
Amazon didn't want to use the construction mafia, which is a real thing, they wanted open tenders.
That got a bunch of juiced in people very mad and then they pulled the strings to make noise.
There were no special deals for Amazon, they were getting the same deal ANY company on the planet would get if they brought that much profit into NY.
It is a state benefit.

And contrary to what idiots say, Amazon did in fact pull out of NY.
They aren't hiring people and they are actively downsizing anything they already have there.

The construction industry in every country is full of criminals looking for easy money.
Some modern companies don't like to play ball.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

a really low day or just the normal low disposition, looking to unleash some of that cantankerous energy... not interested ... post haste, you know the drill

If you've sustained a head injury let us know if we need to send some help. It sure sounds like it...

 

[Vorastra]

Ancient tribe.

 

[Demi777]

If this land is indeed so sacred and valuable to the khoisan - as their 'representatives' insist - why havent they ever shown any real care of it? Locals dump their trash in the river, the place is a toxic, overgrown mess and a daily eyesore for us Capetonians. Go Amazon!

 

[daveza]

It was the River Club and driving range - used to get badly flooded.

Must say, in 60 years I never once heard anything about claims to this land/swamp, by anyone.

Perhaps it just took someone with very deep pockets to show an interest in the property.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

cause I was socialized under it, I acknowledge its effects not only on myself , but also society at large....I consciously engage the effects on myself, not only to rid myself of it, but to contribute to the large collective endeavor to but it to rest, once and for all.
BEE, AA, EE does not bother me, just a natural consequence to bring balance, -- what Apartheid and its ugly elder stepsister colonialism drag us into...engage the root problem...settle them and the rest have no power/hold relevance, no longer needed anymore....

As for rental space -- know the difference, one that articulates their position without getting trapped into the/their emotion on the subject/topic, is processing -engaging on the subject matter. One that goes ape **** emotive, like Pierce Morgan, if you just whisper Meghan Markle - - is someone that is stuck in a mental loop, objectified the subject, and the mind playing out the worst scenarios over and over and over...case of being stuck at hurt feelings stage of the processing...

Enjoy your white guilt complex. I wasn't responsible for apartheid.

 

[yebocan]

Enjoy your white guilt complex. I wasn't responsible for apartheid.

Kassie kan maar die een toe maak vir my...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Kassie kan maar die een toe maak vir my...

18 minutes of a c grade attempt at comedy? Do you actually watch Casper de Vries? I'm an Afrikaner and find him very low brow at the level of Eddie Ecksteen.