Amazon cancels plans to build New York headquarters

[rietrot]

So none of the cited reports have any substance? so none of the facts have any substance?

Maybe if you actually go into detail in any of them. But it is the worst examples out there represented in the most ridiculous ways. It doesn't proof anything. It doesn't discredit the idea of giving tax breaks to lure in business. At the most it shows that sometimes that doesn't work. And there's no conclusive evidence for or against it represented.

 

[w1z4rd]

And yes they are bringing hundreds of jobs to Cape Town in the very near future...more so than the government has managed.

Exactly why we should privatize it all.

That being said I get where you are coming from regarding the Amazon Koolaid perspective all their employees seem to have.

They take such good care of their workers, you know they just have your best interests at heart.

I come from the perspective of having to deal with some of these tech centers. In a different context and that I dont wanna go into detail here. Sometimes I feel theyre a law unto themselves.

 

[EADC]

Maybe if you actually go into detail in any of them. But it is the worst examples out there represented in the most ridiculous ways. It doesn't proof anything. It doesn't discredit the idea of giving tax breaks to lure in business. At the most it shows that sometimes that doesn't work. And there's no conclusive evidence for or against it represented.

If you watched the whole video you would know thats exactly JO point that these states need to hold these companies accountable to make sure they deliver on these incentives and they also need to be accountable to make sure they not just handing out inccentives for no return.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Don't just link drop.

Ok, would you like me to copy and paste the contents for you, or will that also be a waste of my time?

 

[SauRoNZA]

They take such good care of their workers, you know they just have your best interests at heart.

I come from the perspective of having to deal with some of these tech centers. In a different context and that I dont wanna go into detail here. Sometimes I feel theyre a law unto themselves.

Part and parcel of that you need to blame on America as a governing society though as well.

It's kind of their own fault that companies like Amazon can sustain such a business model, which I guess is a good thing that New York would be pushing back as they are trying to fix themselves in the process.

The same doesn't fly elsewhere though.

*****

Also would the HQ actually have warehousing functions? Because all these employee moans always come from the bottom of the foods chain warehousing jobs which in fairness is pretty kak no matter who you work for. So is it not just a symptom of the industry and Amazon being the biggest one in it, rather than Amazon themselves?

 

[BBSA]

Ok, would you like me to copy and paste the contents for you, or will that also be a waste of my time?

From the posting guidelines :

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[w1z4rd]

Part and parcel of that you need to blame on America as a governing society though as well.

It's kind of their own fault that companies like Amazon can sustain such a business model.

The same doesn't fly elsewhere.

Just some stuff to think about.

One thing you need to think about when looking at this type of stuff. A company like Amazon has a higher GDP than a lot of nation states. These tech enclaves are insane in security and have much higher tech than the countries they are often in. This kinda power goes to a persons head. When your tech enclave is more powerful than the country its in... what then?

With some of them (this is far bigger than just Amazon, everyone and the kitchen sink seems to be doing it now), you dont get basic human rights, you get a EULA.

 

[rietrot]

Ok, would you like me to copy and paste the contents for you, or will that also be a waste of my time?

That would also be a waste of your time. If you have a point to make, just make it in your own words then back that up with a link if needs be.

 

[Emjay]

While I usually agree with Emjay, on this I find I agree with GBM a bit more. I seem to recall seeing the figure of the incentives given/asked for Amazon to be $3 billion (I'll try find the source). As much as I'm for free enterprise, I think these giant monopolies do need to be reigned in a bit.

Its also a sad state that does not bode well for the future when people are turning to late night comedy shows as bastions of truth, wisdom and knowledge. It might all be well researched but it is entertainment first and foremost. If they had to make a sacrifice between entertainment or news, the news would be the first to go. (News being that truth, wisdom, knowledge)

Whats even sader is the teenage 13 year old schoolboy tantrums "Just because it's satire or funny, doesn't mean its not real", like that actually makes it suddenly valid and credible.


https://venturebeat.com/2019/02/14/amazon-cancels-new-york-hq2-plans/

And the tax revenue over the next 10 years is pegged to be around $24 billion. So, give a little, to get a lot more. I believe those tax incentives were also linked to job growth that can be proved. I do agree that on the principle of it, it is not great. This is unfortunately the downside of such a free market. The government has to respond with the same principles. But New York would have been in a better place despite the tax incentives.

 

[rietrot]

Just some stuff to think about.

One thing you need to think about when looking at this type of stuff. A company like Amazon has a higher GDP than a lot of nation states. These tech enclaves are insane in security and have much higher tech than the countries they are often in. This kinda power goes to a persons head. When your tech enclave is more powerful than the country its in... what then?

With some of them (this is far bigger than just Amazon, everyone and the kitchen sink seems to be doing it now), you dont get basic human rights, you get a EULA.

Nobody is forced to work for or buy their stuff from Amazon. Nobody is even forced to use Google. Neither of them have a standing army ready to kill people and take over the world physically.

You are being unnecessarily over dramatic.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

From the posting guidelines :

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My apologies.

I have adited my post.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Nobody is forced to work for or buy their stuff from Amazon. Nobody is even forced to use Google. Neither of them have a standing army ready to kill people and take over the world physically.

You are being unnecessarily over dramatic.

You are being dishonest. Nobody is forcing you to breathe oxygen, and yet...

 

[BBSA]

Amazon is paying $0 in taxes on $11+ billion in profit.

$0 for schools.
$0 for firefighters.
$0 for infrastructure.
$0 for research and healthcare.

Why should corporations that contribute nothing to the pot be in a position to take billions from the public?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1096194174301495296

 

[w1z4rd]

Nobody is forced to work for or buy their stuff from Amazon. Nobody is even forced to use Google. Neither of them have a standing army ready to kill people and take over the world physically.

You are being unnecessarily over dramatic.

uhuh.

 

[Nick333]

Just some stuff to think about.

One thing you need to think about when looking at this type of stuff. A company like Amazon has a higher GDP than a lot of nation states. These tech enclaves are insane in security and have much higher tech than the countries they are often in. This kinda power goes to a persons head. When your tech enclave is more powerful than the country its in... what then?

With some of them (this is far bigger than just Amazon, everyone and the kitchen sink seems to be doing it now), you dont get basic human rights, you get a EULA.

I don't know. What happens when these so called tech enclaves are more powerful than the country they're in?

 

[w1z4rd]

I don't know. What happens when these so called tech enclaves are more powerful than the country they're in?

You wouldnt know, you dont have the means to find out.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

I don't know. What happens when these so called tech enclaves are more powerful than the country they're in?

Things like Google starts thinking it has the right to control what you think, and if they happen to do so in such a way that entrenches their monopoly, no harm no foul.

 

[EADC]

Amazon is paying $0 in taxes on $11+ billion in profit.

$0 for schools.
$0 for firefighters.
$0 for infrastructure.
$0 for research and healthcare.

Why should corporations that contribute nothing to the pot be in a position to take billions from the public?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1096194174301495296

****ing communists.

 

[Nick333]

Amazon is paying $0 in taxes on $11+ billion in profit.

$0 for schools.
$0 for firefighters.
$0 for infrastructure.
$0 for research and healthcare.

Why should corporations that contribute nothing to the pot be in a position to take billions from the public?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1096194174301495296

Because they're not taking money, they're providing goods and services in exchange for money, as well as providing employment for tens of thousands of people. You know, all those things that economies are built on? You're basically saying "why should we have an economy if the creators of said economy aren't forced to pay for other people's shyt".

 

[BBSA]

Because they're not taking money, they're providing goods and services in exchange for money, as well as providing employment for tens of thousands of people. You know, all those things that economies are built on? You're basically saying "why should we have an economy if the creators of said economy aren't forced to pay for other people's shyt".

Agree, if AOC is against it then it is probably a good idea.