Amazon has the "successful formula" for e-commerce in South Africa

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Amazon has the "successful formula" for online shopping in South Africa

Amazon's managing director for Sub-Saharan Africa, Robert Koen, says the key to the e-commerce giant's success in South Africa will be its focus on customers rather than the competition.

Speaking to Business Day, Koen added that its well-established last-mile partners, network of 3,000 pickup points, and delivery promises will prove important for South African customers.
 
They got the formula in a day?
 
Wow. Focus on customers. That will be refreshing for a change. Takealot's focus is on scamming customers by partnering with scam companies who post false discounts but just import crap from China with 10X+ markup of sales price, or buy crap from Makro at sales and resell for 2X profit.
 
Wow. Focus on customers. That will be refreshing for a change. Takealot's focus is on scamming customers by partnering with scam companies who post false discounts but just import crap from China with 10X+ markup of sales price, or buy crap from Makro at sales and resell for 2X profit.
Sorry you are having a bad day.
 
So far I only see the same-ol'-same-ol'. Nothing exciting on amazon.co.za and nothing there which I can not buy at a number of other online SA stores. Funniest thing is that they're not even selling their own Amazon products like Echo speakers or Fire TV devices. For those you need to go to one of their direct competitors. Yes, I get that they are expanding their product range daily, but I'd expext they'd have their own products listed from day one.
At least partnering with The Courier Guy is promising - I've had only good service from them.
 
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I ordered some earbuds last week on Tuesday that were "next day delivery". They arrived on the following Monday - not a great start for me...
 
They got the formula in a day?

They probably bought Nestle S26 in bulk.
 
It's just a shame their catalog is so pitiful at the moment. No good being customer first if you don't have anything the customers want to buy in the first place.
 
Yeah takealot already trying to catch up. So Mybb wasted their free delivery on paid delivery?
 
So far I only see the same-ol'-same-ol'. Nothing exciting on amazon.co.za and nothing there which I can not buy at a number of other online SA stores. Funniest thing is that they're not even selling their own Amazon products like Echo speakers or Fire TV devices. For those you need to go to one of their direct competitors. Yes, I get that they are expanding their product range daily, but I'd expext they'd have their own products listed from day one.
At least partnering with The Courier Guy is promising - I've had only good service from them.

I expect that when they sell their own products, the entire ecosystem must be available in SA and working well. I don't think that's the case at the moment. If you buy a Kindle or Echo from Takealot and it doesn't work well, you'd tend to write it off as something that's on you (as they're not yet launched in SA). If you buy it from Amazon and it doesn't work you'll blame Amazon.
 
At least partnering with The Courier Guy is promising - I've had only good service from them.
Based on what size dataset? They crashed and burned spectacularly for me.

  • Collections not done because "nobody at premises" (at a distributor with approximately 50 people on site?!)
  • Deliveries not done because "nobody at premises and no answer on phone" although the recipient has been at the premises all day and is happy to share video footage (and then when asking TCG for GPS/call logs, the phone was ALWAYS problematic and reset that very morning)
  • Billing issues - the worst was almost R 300 for a mousepad to CPT because there was something stuck to the box which gave incorrect readings for the dimensions with their laser scanner, but they won't credit the difference
  • Impossible to get hold of anyone other than the person who answers the phone. This happened so frequently it got to the point that I looked up the directors and grabbed their details from RocketReach to try them directly
  • Split deliveries on a single waybill - one part of the delivery goes to the wrong province
  • Parcel went with wrong van, will attempt delivery a day late (I had this TODAY with a personal delivery - I didn't choose the courier - where a parcel went with the wrong driver yesterday)
  • Parcel missing for a day or two, until you say you want to make an insurance claim and then it's found within 5 minutes
  • I have hard evidence ranging from phone calls to video footage at distributors that their drivers lie, but if you're lucky enough to get hold of a area/regional manager, they take the driver's side and make you out to be the liar
  • I have several videos of collections being done for multiple distributors (spanning more than one driver), with all parcels being put onto a single pile while the driver fills out waybills and then tries to remember what's what
None of the above are once-off issues, with some being as regular as 1-2x per month.

I was on a cash account with a R-5k limit. It was done because of the volume of deliveries I was doing. 1 Jan 2024, account on hold. Mkay, after being closed two weeks, I'm probably past the 14 days on the oldest invoices. Pay most of it, still on hold.

Call and speak to about a dozen people in the accounts dept who all say "your limit has always been zero." I have them pull up statements for the last year to prove them wrong, they all tell me they can see it but it wasn't possible, I must have been paying and had a positive balance. I tell them LOOK at my balance, it hasn't been better than R -300 for the last year. They disagree...

Finally, several DAYS later, they said they sent emails in November and December 2023. I told them please check the mailing list because I DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING. They say I did receive it. I tell them I didn't (I've checked spam, logged into webmail to check that nothing has been discarded/marked as junk along the way, etc). They say they have confirmation I RECEIVED it, not just that they sent it. Keep in mind that mail is done through a ticketing system, so Outlook's "read receipts" are completely ignored.

I ask them to FORWARD the mail to me. They forward one from nearly a year prior (not November/December 2023), which was an internal mail sent to TCG staff only.

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The final straw was a same-day delivery that they failed to collect from a distributor no less than five times (morning and afternoon for two consecutive days, morning only of the third day). The reason given was "not invoiced." Here's the thing - I can't arrange courier collection UNTIL it has been invoiced, as the invoice number is the reference for collection. I had already received the invoice when making the booking. I arranged another courier, who collected just after 3pm and delivered to me before COB that same day.

There are several other issues, such as the train-wreck which was the migration from Parcel Perfect to Ship Logic (which also resulted in all address book entries being removed and irretrievable without warning), or that no amount of begging and pleading will get them to check their accounts other than morning and afternoon, so if you get too close to your limit and top-up you're going to have a problem until the next time they check their accounts.

Over the years they've been quick to say I must keep my 5-figure monthly spend with them when I ask if I should move to another courier, but always radio silent when I ask for a resolution. My favourite reply is "we will escalate to higher management" followed by it being the end of the story.

This is based on 8 years of using them to arrange (I'd estimate) 30,000 deliveries, and service has continued to deteriorate year on year.

I have since moved to another courier with which I have had one major issue in the last 10 months, but was resolved in a single 10 minute phone call (of which more than half was apologizing to me and an offer to call the customer to explain repeated several times).
 
Based on what size dataset? They crashed and burned spectacularly for me.

  • Collections not done because "nobody at premises" (at a distributor with approximately 50 people on site?!)
  • Deliveries not done because "nobody at premises and no answer on phone" although the recipient has been at the premises all day and is happy to share video footage (and then when asking TCG for GPS/call logs, the phone was ALWAYS problematic and reset that very morning)
  • Billing issues - the worst was almost R 300 for a mousepad to CPT because there was something stuck to the box which gave incorrect readings for the dimensions with their laser scanner, but they won't credit the difference
  • Impossible to get hold of anyone other than the person who answers the phone. This happened so frequently it got to the point that I looked up the directors and grabbed their details from RocketReach to try them directly
  • Split deliveries on a single waybill - one part of the delivery goes to the wrong province
  • Parcel went with wrong van, will attempt delivery a day late (I had this TODAY with a personal delivery - I didn't choose the courier - where a parcel went with the wrong driver yesterday)
  • Parcel missing for a day or two, until you say you want to make an insurance claim and then it's found within 5 minutes
  • I have hard evidence ranging from phone calls to video footage at distributors that their drivers lie, but if you're lucky enough to get hold of a area/regional manager, they take the driver's side and make you out to be the liar
  • I have several videos of collections being done for multiple distributors (spanning more than one driver), with all parcels being put onto a single pile while the driver fills out waybills and then tries to remember what's what
None of the above are once-off issues, with some being as regular as 1-2x per month.

I was on a cash account with a R-5k limit. It was done because of the volume of deliveries I was doing. 1 Jan 2024, account on hold. Mkay, after being closed two weeks, I'm probably past the 14 days on the oldest invoices. Pay most of it, still on hold.

Call and speak to about a dozen people in the accounts dept who all say "your limit has always been zero." I have them pull up statements for the last year to prove them wrong, they all tell me they can see it but it wasn't possible, I must have been paying and had a positive balance. I tell them LOOK at my balance, it hasn't been better than R -300 for the last year. They disagree...

Finally, several DAYS later, they said they sent emails in November and December 2023. I told them please check the mailing list because I DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING. They say I did receive it. I tell them I didn't (I've checked spam, logged into webmail to check that nothing has been discarded/marked as junk along the way, etc). They say they have confirmation I RECEIVED it, not just that they sent it. Keep in mind that mail is done through a ticketing system, so Outlook's "read receipts" are completely ignored.

I ask them to FORWARD the mail to me. They forward one from nearly a year prior (not November/December 2023), which was an internal mail sent to TCG staff only.

----

The final straw was a same-day delivery that they failed to collect from a distributor no less than five times (morning and afternoon for two consecutive days, morning only of the third day). The reason given was "not invoiced." Here's the thing - I can't arrange courier collection UNTIL it has been invoiced, as the invoice number is the reference for collection. I had already received the invoice when making the booking. I arranged another courier, who collected just after 3pm and delivered to me before COB that same day.

There are several other issues, such as the train-wreck which was the migration from Parcel Perfect to Ship Logic (which also resulted in all address book entries being removed and irretrievable without warning), or that no amount of begging and pleading will get them to check their accounts other than morning and afternoon, so if you get too close to your limit and top-up you're going to have a problem until the next time they check their accounts.

Over the years they've been quick to say I must keep my 5-figure monthly spend with them when I ask if I should move to another courier, but always radio silent when I ask for a resolution. My favourite reply is "we will escalate to higher management" followed by it being the end of the story.

This is based on 8 years of using them to arrange (I'd estimate) 30,000 deliveries, and service has continued to deteriorate year on year.

I have since moved to another courier with which I have had one major issue in the last 10 months, but was resolved in a single 10 minute phone call (of which more than half was apologizing to me and an offer to call the customer to explain repeated several times).
Eish! That's hectic! I don't run a business reliant on deliveries. My experience is purely private deliveries always received on time and sent a few times with no hassles. Also once needing to get documents sent from CPT to PTA that involved government departments and very particular pickup and drop-off instructions and there were no hassles. That is the extent of my "dataset"... LOL...but ja, based on your experience it then is not looking so good for Amazon, shamepies.
On a side note, I've also been a happy customer of Vodacom for over 25 years now. Not a single hassle I can recall. I'm sure many will spit in my face for saying that and shout from the hills: "He is from the Dark Side!!"
 
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I expect that when they sell their own products, the entire ecosystem must be available in SA and working well. I don't think that's the case at the moment. If you buy a Kindle or Echo from Takealot and it doesn't work well, you'd tend to write it off as something that's on you (as they're not yet launched in SA). If you buy it from Amazon and it doesn't work you'll blame Amazon.
Yeah, I thought of that too but it is still disappointing that a huge corporate like this would not do their homework a bit more before launching. They should know that there is quite a large footprint of Amazon devices in SA so it would have been prudent for them to launch with that ready from the get go. Now it casts a shadow on all those devices when amazon.co.za don't even sell Amazon devices.
So it is just another loot, takealot, etc ...winning recipe? I think not.
 
Eish! That's hectic! I don't run a business reliant on deliveries. My experience is purely private deliveries always received on time and sent a few times with no hassles. Also once needing to get documents sent from CPT to PTA that involved government departments and very particular pickup and drop-off instructions and there were no hassles. That is the extent of my "dataset"... LOL...but ja, based on your experience it then is not looking so good for Amazon, shamepies.
On a side note, I've also been a happy customer of Vodacom for over 25 years now. Not a single hassle I can recall. I'm sure many will spit in my face for saying that and shout from the hills: "He is from the Dark Side!!"
It's because of Pudo and Pargo which will give them an edge over Takealot. Honestly in all other respects all couriers suck as they have such a high bar to achieve when it comes to the Post Office. Amazon would do better if they put their own drivers in place.
 
Yeah, I thought of that too but it is still disappointing that a huge corporate like this would not do their homework a bit more before launching. They should know that there is quite a large footprint of Amazon devices in SA so it would have been prudent for them to launch with that ready from the get go. Now it casts a shadow on all those devices when amazon.co.za don't even sell Amazon devices.
So it is just another loot, takealot, etc ...winning recipe? I think not.
I think you overestimate the size of the Amazon device footprint in SA and also Amazon has sort of launched, I'd class what has happened as more of a soft launch so give them time to get things all in order before thinking a multi trillion dollar global company hasn't done its home work.
 
Yes I am tired of Takealot scams and lies
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Yip, seen that as well. More than once. Its a good idea to cross check any special deal these days, ANYWHERE.
Remember (like in the 1990's) when Game was the place to shop and get the cheapest price on anything? Not anymore. Some people still believe that though. Then Makro came along... same story. We all know that so called "SALE" items are just reduced markup from e.g. 300% to 200% etc.
I've noticed that usually better deals on takealot is when they sell directly. I suspect resellers like in this example are inflating prices to cover their takealot fees and then the mark-down looks a bit dodgy like this.
Will be interesting to see if the same happens on Amazon...
 
More than tripple the price on Amazon.co.za...doesn't look like a winning recipe so far...
I bought one of these just last weekend at Peacock Coffees for just over R600.
 

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More than tripple the price on Amazon.co.za...doesn't look like a winning recipe so far...
I bought one of these just last weekend at Peacock Coffees for just over R600.

Chances are it's sold by The Global Village Boutique seller on Amazon. They are taking chances and selling stuff at highly inflated prices.
 
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