Amphibious Assault Ship USS Bonhomme Richard Is On Fire At Naval Base San Diego

Cosmik Debris

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Leaked details of the suspect, a 20 year-old Navy Seal dropout:

Oh man. He is, in Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, of Full Metal Jacket's words, in a world of ****. The last guy to set a US vessel, the nuclear submarine USS Miami, alight to get time off work, was sentenced to 17 years.

Like the Bonhomme Richard, the Miami was scrapped.
 

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The USN has a massive problem with morale and well-being among service members. Claims of service members being over-worked and increasing mental health issues not being taken seriously are rife. The suicide rate among sailors is on the increase.

Not really surprised if this was an act of sabotage.
 

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Just to expand on the situation regarding the sailors of the USNl, its is a long time problem and explains the suicides, accidents and now quite possibly an act of sabotage.

USN operation are way up, they're committed to commissioning more ships while simultaneously undertraining crews and simply not having enough sailors to fulfill tasks. As the sailors inevitably start cracking, they don't find the support systems to cope.

Years of warnings, then death and disaster.


When Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin was elevated to lead the vaunted 7th Fleet in 2015, he expected it to be the pinnacle of his nearly four-decade Navy career. The fleet was the largest and most powerful in the world, and its role as one of America’s great protectors had new urgency. China was expanding into disputed waters. And Kim Jong-un was testing ballistic missiles in North Korea.

Aucoin was bred on such challenges. As a Navy aviator, he’d led the “Black Aces,” a squadron of F-14 Tomcats that in the late 1990s bombed targets in Kosovo.

But what he found with the 7th Fleet alarmed and angered him.

The fleet was short of sailors, and those it had were often poorly trained and worked to exhaustion. Its warships were falling apart, and a bruising, ceaseless pace of operations meant there was little chance to get necessary repairs done. The very top of the Navy was consumed with buying new, more sophisticated ships, even as its sailors struggled to master and hold together those they had. The Pentagon, half a world away, was signing off on requests for ships to carry out more and more missions.

'Everybody's Overworked:' String of Suicides Raises Questions About Sailors' Stress Levels


GAO: U.S. Navy sailors still not getting enough sleep

GAO conducted a survey in 2020 and estimates that 14% of officers received the then recommended 7 hours or more of sleep a day during their most recent deployment, while 67% received 5 hours or less.

An American friend of mine was a nuke (nuclear technician, reactor maintenance) on the Eisenhower and he said they would frequently double-deploy and double-shift key personnel, so guys were frequently on duty for solid 16-18 hour stretches and doing it for two deployments in a row. He hated it and wanted to leave early but the Navy put him through his engineering course so he had to stick it out.
 
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Cosmik Debris

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Just to expand on the situation regarding the sailors of the USNl, its is a long time problem and explains the suicides, accidents and now quite possibly an act of sabotage.

USN operation are way up, they're committed to commissioning more ships while simultaneously undertraining crews and simply not having enough sailors to fulfill tasks. As the sailors inevitably start cracking, they don't find the support systems to cope.

Years of warnings, then death and disaster.




'Everybody's Overworked:' String of Suicides Raises Questions About Sailors' Stress Levels


GAO: U.S. Navy sailors still not getting enough sleep



An American friend of mine was a nuke (nuclear technician, reactor maintenance) on the Eisenhower and he said they would frequently double-deploy and double-shift key personnel, so guys were frequently on duty for solid 16-18 hour stretches and doing it for two deployments in a row. He hated it and wanted to leave early but the Navy put him through his engineering course so he had to stick it out.

On the Chinese military thread it was stated that the USN is battle ready, experienced and trained. The Chinese were compared as being undertrained and not battle experienced despite having a major building programme larger than the USN.

Who do I believe?
 

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On the Chinese military thread it was stated that the USN is battle ready, experienced and trained. The Chinese were compared as being undertrained and not battle experienced despite having a major building programme larger than the USN.

Who do I believe?

I said the USN are battle-experienced and their warships are proven, which they are. You will see that one of the primary causes for the stresses (to ships and crews) in the USN are the increased combat deployments. I also never said the PLAN are undertrained, I said they lacked blue-water operational combat experience, which they do.

We can argue who would be more effective in a combat situation; the half-asleep veteran or the enthusiastic green, but this is the wrong thread for that.
 

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That seems silly.

A little elbow grease and the damage will buff right out - looking as good as new again

They (re)discovered (the hard way) that fire and aluminium do not go together...
 
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