An early look at Windows Vista

[werner]

I actually googled for "the sun doesnt exist" and there were only three hits out of 8 billion web pages.
So you really should stop using that as an example....3 hits out of 8 billion does not make for conclusive proof.

 

[mbs]

... as apposed to your 'book' which nobody but you can see... and I guess I should mention that not everything published is accurate if your book even exists

Clearly, you're even more anal than I am, and distrusting to boot. Here you go - scans of the relevant material:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9954/sams18wv.png
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1763/sams24mq.png
... and that's my very last contribution to this stupid discussion.

 

[Vlad]

or how to **** up a promising thread...
if you want to make things personal, do so with pm's, i'm not interested in your personal issues

 

[slimothy]

well you said last time was your last constribution... all im saying is if you dont believe the people who you say made it (sun, ibm, microsoft) then you are an idiot, if you dont believe wc3... who manage web protocols... then you are an idiot

stop trying to get the last word in, why does it have to be about egos and people always trying to "teach me a lesson" or whatever, i'm not gonna get tactful, i pasted as much evidence as any reasonable person would need... look at the title of the book you quote, teach yourself web services in 24 hours.... hahaha yeah right

OK one more piece of evidence... i mean if wc3 isn't enough for you then you obviously don't know much about the web and aren't going to change your mind... but let me just at least attempt to get the last word in for anyone else reading this who might believe you for some reason

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOAP

SOAP originally was an acronym for Simple Object Access Protocol, but the acronym was dropped in Version 1.2 of the SOAP specification. Originally designed by Dave Winer, Don Box, Bob Atkinson, and Mohsen Al-Ghosein in 1998 with backing from Microsoft (where Atkinson and Al-Ghosein worked at the time), the SOAP specification is currently maintained by the XML Protocol Working Group of the World Wide Web Consortium.

so wikipedia says in 1998 (before IBM and Sun were involved with soap , if you checked up you'd know they came on in 2000 with the Oasis group, microsoft employees... i put it in bold for you, created soap with the backing of their company... microsoft. Now they didn't do this on their own time, they did it AT microsoft. If I'm at microsoft and get asked to make soemthing, I created it.... UNDER MICROSOFT... I really hope you're reading this

Further more I emplore you to check Oasis group websites, Sun and IBM because the information is echo'd there. I'm not going to lie either and say this is my last post on the subject because if you post more lies or speculation I will be here to clean up the mess with some nice facts.. k thanks

 

[diabolus]

Who cares about SOAP's origins.

I'm more concerned with the fact that my laptop might not even run Vista properly [MS urging against integrated graphics], and on top of that needing quite a GFX card for all the bell's and whistles theyre throwing in [aparantly].

 

[mbs]

An appropriate posting and response with due acknowledgments, as I'll be away for a while from this forum -
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=244105&postcount=2067

 

[pookfuzz]

I wouldn’t worry to much, if you have been following Vista/Longhorn development over the last year or so you will see that as time goes by less and less seems to be in it. I expect by the time it actually ships it will be nothing more then vanilla XP with new icons.

 

[bwana]

lol - by the time Longwait arrives there will be the next generation of OsX - Leopard - for M$ to aspire to.

 

[Perdition]

Well OS X should aspire to be what Vista will be under the hood re Avalon and Indigo. These architectural improvements are HUGE for developers and will allow rapid development of powerful visual and enterprise applications. Last I checked enterprise developers weren't exactly swarming to OS X and these new technologies will only widen the gap. Apple can keep their flashy OS, I'll stick to the more powerful of the two under the hood

 

[BLaZor]

Bill gates didnt invent MS, he took the Windows invented by the Asians and saw the Potential of it.
He then bought it for 50bucks then look at him now: net worth= $50 billion!!!!!
Hes not an inventer but a simple business man!

 

[slimothy]

well MS is a company so he did create that, but yeah he bought DOS and build on it and the same with the GUI thing from xerox, but he did invent an earlier OS for one of those old tape computers... I cant remember what it was called im going on that movie pirate of silicone valley

 

[BLaZor]

Windows 3.1
Those were the days, no viruses and i was on fire with my 4meg ram!!!

 

[bb_matt]

An early look at Windows Vista

 

[malec]

It really does mimic Mac OS, and IE 7 is a poor imitation of Firefox. Nothing new coming out of MS.

IE 7 is almost an exact replica of Apple's Safari

 

[BLaZor]

Safari Uses the Firfox GUI.
IE copied firefox since firefox has better protection from ad-ware and spyware.

 

[malec]

Well OS X should aspire to be what Vista will be under the hood re Avalon and Indigo. These architectural improvements are HUGE for developers and will allow rapid development of powerful visual and enterprise applications. Last I checked enterprise developers weren't exactly swarming to OS X and these new technologies will only widen the gap. Apple can keep their flashy OS, I'll stick to the more powerful of the two under the hood

If you're calling Vista more powerful under the hood I think a raincheck might be in order. I haven't had time to read up on indigo, but Apple has had Aqua, most likely what avalon is a copy of, for ages ...

 

[TheRoDent]

Christ, XML-RPC existed way before SOAP. Microsoft didn't "invent" SOAP. They wrote a set of standards, called it SOAP, and submitted it to the W3C.

It's not like they "made" SOAP.

 

[slimothy]

Christ, XML-RPC existed way before SOAP. Microsoft didn't "invent" SOAP. They wrote a set of standards, called it SOAP, and submitted it to the W3C.

It's not like they "made" SOAP.

rofl, ok i guess cnet, wiki, ibm, microsoft and wc3 (to name a few) are wrong

I don't understand your statement, you say mirosoft wrote a set of standards.. well a protocol is a set of standards... SOAP stands for Simple Object Access Protocol and yet even with mountains of evidence in this thread which you did not read.. you say they didn't invent soap (but invented standards.. haha) either you're saying a protocol is not a set of standards or you think SOAP is something else entireley

please substantiate your claims with a little evidence or its considered trolling

 

[pookfuzz]

I think what the TheRoDent is saying is that SOAP is simply a rebadged and hyped up concept that existed long Microsoft got on the whole XML bandwagon.

So yes, SOAP was created by Microsoft, but the idea predates their specific implementation.

 

[slimothy]

yeah of course it does ebXML goes back even further