ANC’s Secretary General labelled Chamisa an American puppet

[AmutovSaydalim]

SOUTH African ruling party ANC’s Secretary General Fikile Mbalula has labelled Citizens Coalition for Change (CCC) President Nelson Chamisa an American puppet in his latest rant over Zimbabwe.

He revealed South Africa had always been against America’s sanctions regime, which they argued would bring Zimbabwe to its knees.

“Mnangagwa conducted a coup d’état and removed Mugabe, they are still not satisfied. Till they get their puppet in power they will never be satisfied.

“Mnangagwa brought some reforms but they (America) did not want those reforms because they want a man called Chamisa. They want him to be the leader of a new Zimbabwe.
https://www.newzimbabwe.com/america...labels-ccc-leader-a-us-puppet-in-latest-rant/

 

[TheChamp]

He is right about America, they are not really concerned about free and fair election, democracy and the rule of law in Zimbabwe, the only outcome they will accept is that of a regime change, by hook or crook.

 

[ToxicBunny]

He is right about America, they are not really concerned about free and fair election, democracy and the rule of law in Zimbabwe, the only outcome they will accept is that of a regime change, by hook or crook.

I very much doubt Fear Fokol is right about anything...

I would hazard a guess that America didn't want Mnangagwa in power, or for the coup d'etat to happen. America would have wanted free and fair elections to happen so that the people of Zimbabwe could choose the leaders they wanted rather than being forced to have leaders that the leaders have decided.

 

[AmutovSaydalim]

Washington doesn't mind deal with autocratic countries such as Saudi Arabia and cares not rights or freedom, as long as it can provide with US what they want. Then why would US want Chamisa instead of Mnangagwa? Does it mean there are something Mnangagwa doesn't want offer to US?

 

[TheChamp]

Washington doesn't mind deal with autocratic countries such as Saudi Arabia and cares not rights or freedom, as long as it can provide with US what they want. Then why would US want Chamisa instead of Mnangagwa? Does it mean there are something Mnangagwa doesn't want offer to US?

Exactly, even with all the blatant hypocrisy on display they still think they can fool people into believing their interest in Zimbabwe is for the good of Zimbabwe and it's people.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Washington doesn't mind deal with autocratic countries such as Saudi Arabia and cares not rights or freedom, as long as it can provide with US what they want. Then why would US want Chamisa instead of Mnangagwa? Does it mean there are something Mnangagwa doesn't want offer to US?

Random question, what do Saudi Arabia provide the US that they want?

And Saudi Arabia is a very different kettle of fish to a country like Zimbabwe. One is a monarchy, whereas Zimbabwe is supposed to be a democracy.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Exactly, even with all the blatant hypocrisy on display they still think they can fool people into believing their interest in Zimbabwe is for the good of Zimbabwe and it's people.

It doesn't fool anyone except the SA minority which is majority on mybb. America can bomb/occupy 10's of countries but get a free pass as they are apparently bringing "freedom" to those countries.

 

[TheChamp]

It doesn't fool anyone except the SA minority which is majority on mybb. America can bomb/occupy 10's of countries but get a free pass as they are apparently bringing "freedom" to those countries.

Yep, Zimbabweans should be free to elect whoever they want, it's fine if it's Chamisa but they should never allow those terrorists from the West to dictate to them who should be the government in their own country, they have survived the sanctions for so long and they have become much stronger and resilient despite all the hardships.

 

[aleksandar]

Exactly, even with all the blatant hypocrisy on display they still think they can fool people into believing their interest in Zimbabwe is for the good of Zimbabwe and it's people.

So what is there in Zim that they want and can not get elsewhere?
China is well entrenched there, also sanctions are targeted at ruling figures so it is not like we had where they sealed border so no import of fuel and other bits for our economy nor foreign exchange.

 

[TheChamp]

So what is there in Zim that they want and can not get elsewhere?
China is well entrenched there, also sanctions are targeted at ruling figures so it is not like we had where they sealed border so no import of fuel and other bits for our economy nor foreign exchange.

Why don't you ask them? Pity the bow tie wearing buffoon is not in Zimbabwe, he could have blurted it out by now.

 

[aleksandar]

Just to add Fikile's rant reminds me of my country, it is always somebodies else's fault, sure there is influence but majority of problems are self inflicted (and continue to be for the last 30 years).

 

[konfab]

He revealed South Africa had always been against America’s sanctions regime, which they argued would bring Zimbabwe to its knees.

Zimbabwe is quite capable of doing that itself. It isn't the US who destroyed private property, printed off trillions and rigged elections.

 

[konfab]

It doesn't fool anyone except the SA minority which is majority on mybb. America can bomb/occupy 10's of countries but get a free pass as they are apparently bringing "freedom" to those countries.

What Sanctions do you think the US has placed on Zimbabwe that would cause economic damage?

 

[aleksandar]

Why don't you ask them? Pity the bow tie wearing buffoon is not in Zimbabwe, he could have blurted it out by now.

Everybody is claiming that there is something, what if there is nothing but just disassociation due to bad treatment of its citizens.

There is farmer that is beating his workers and treating them badly, at the same time he wants to sell me his produce.
I publicly call him out and declare that I do not want to have anything with him and stop any transactions due to his behaviour.

He claims that I actually want to economically isolate him so I can buy product cheaper (or even bankrupt him to take over his farm)
At the same time he can buy fertilizer, fuel and export his products to hundreds of other customers that are not concerned with his behaviour.

Am I bad guy?

 

[TheChamp]

Everybody is claiming that there is something, what if there is nothing but just disassociation due to bad treatment of its citizens.

There is farmer that is beating his workers and treating them badly, at the same time he wants to sell me his produce.
I publicly call him out and declare that I do not want to have anything with him and stop any transactions due to his behaviour.

He claims that I actually want to economically isolate him so I can buy product cheaper (or even bankrupt him to take over his farm)
At the same time he can buy fertilizer, fuel and export his products to hundreds of other customers that are not concerned with his behaviour.

Am I bad guy?

Since when does America care about bad treatment of other countries' citizens?

You are free to buy from any farmer you want, even the same farmer who beats his workers, just like what America is doing, they buy from farmers who beat their workers all the time, now and again they catch some conscience at very convenient times and want to lecture others who are buying from farmers who beat their workers.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Everybody is claiming that there is something, what if there is nothing but just disassociation due to bad treatment of its citizens.

There is farmer that is beating his workers and treating them badly, at the same time he wants to sell me his produce.
I publicly call him out and declare that I do not want to have anything with him and stop any transactions due to his behaviour.

He claims that I actually want to economically isolate him so I can buy product cheaper (or even bankrupt him to take over his farm)
At the same time he can buy fertilizer, fuel and export his products to hundreds of other customers that are not concerned with his behaviour.

Am I bad guy?

You may not be a bad guy but are you a country that bombed/occupied many countries ?

 

[aleksandar]

Since when does America care about bad treatment of other countries' citizens?

You are free to buy from any farmer you want, even the same farmer who beats his workers, just like what America is doing, they buy from farmers who beat their workers all the time, now and again they catch some conscience at very convenient times and want to lecture others who are buying from farmers who beat their workers.

They do not but question is where blame lies for economic hardships in this particular case and context of installing puppet government and sanctions.

Are they afraid of regime change because they will lose all the privileges, maybe have to take responsibilities for their evil deeds or are they concerned that their compatriots will be worse off with new puppet government?

Are you prepared to defend system that abuses its citizens just to stick it to the US?

 

[aleksandar]

You may not be a bad guy but are you a country that bombed/occupied many countries ?

That does not take anything away from what other person is doing, still guilty and trying to shift its blame.

When NATO bombed Serbia and made biggest base in Europe we knew that this is just a puzzle piece of their expansion to east.
Our leadership regardless of how right or wrong something is did not learn from losses in WWI that grandstanding, illusion of greatness is high price to pay for ordinary citizens.

My question still stands, with large Chinese presence in Zim what is there that US is interested in and they can not get anywhere else?
Is Fikile's speech fearmongering to keep current Zim government in power or there is real concern for citizens if puppet government is installed.

 

[TheChamp]

They do not but question is where blame lies for economic hardships in this particular case and context of installing puppet government and sanctions.

Are they afraid of regime change because they will lose all the privileges, maybe have to take responsibilities for their evil deeds or are they concerned that their compatriots will be worse off with new puppet government?

Are you prepared to defend system that abuses its citizens just to stick it to the US?

Show me where I defended a system that abuses its citizens? Never mind, you can't.

Why are they afraid of a regime change, who are we to tell them there should be a regime change? Who is America to insist on a regime change on behalf of Zimbabweans?

Again the elections can be as free and fair as you can ever wish for, as long as they don't result in the desired outcome America will not accept it, it is as simple as that.

 

[Botha22]

"Mnangagwa conducted a coup d’état and removed Mugabe" - said Fikile Mbalula, then goes on to lecture the Americans about regime change. Surely the first thing to do is it deal with / remove / censure / whatever Mnangagwa, given that his coup goes against SADC and AU principles. Why should Fikile be defending someone who took power through illegal means?